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My friend is starting a Salamanders list using Vulkan He'Stan.
He wonders if he allies with Sisters if Battles do their flamers benefit from Vulkans Chapter Tactics??
Help apreciated.

Anything goes with allies games as long as the two people playing agree on it.

Can allies be used anymore?

I thought the PDF versions of the codexes took those rules out.

I'm not sure it was just a point he mentioned and i wanted other gamers opinions to see what the wider community thinks.

Yes, this is perfectly legal. Technically you need the printed Witch Hunter codex, as it includes the ally rules. The reason this is legal is because Vulkan doesn't give a rule to units with Combat Tactics, he removes it and gives everything a benefit (so that he can affect vehicles).

However, it should be noted that there are rumors of Sisters being updated, with leaked statlines/wargear pages showing up online last week. I have no idea what the speculated time table of development is though.

thanks alot for the help, that is going to be nasty playing against him now.......

Not really that nasty - SoB are less flexible than SM when it comes to moving about. No drop pods, no teleporting termies, no bikes... all they have is the Rhino rush. Your mate would give up fine SM units in order to field SoB. The only unit that really outflames any SM choice in their slot (Fast) would be a Dominion squad with an attached priest and as many flamers and combi-flamers as possible. And the Sisters won't have their Heavy support choices if they're allies to Vulkan.

Sure, Divine Guidance is naughty. But there's only so many Faith points to use.

TL flamers/meltas is chapter tactics is it not? Last time i checked SoB don't have combat tactics. So no, they wouldn't get the special flamers.

Sothas wrote:TL flamers/meltas is chapter tactics is it not?

Vulkan is different from all the other SM special characters in that his specialty doesn't limit it to those that lose Combat Tactics. Everyone loses it - and instead all meltas/flamers get TL.

Sothas wrote:TL flamers/meltas is chapter tactics is it not? Last time i checked SoB don't have combat tactics. So no, they wouldn't get the special flamers.

In order so that things without chapter tactics, such as dreadnoughts and landspeeders, would also benefit from Vulkan's ability, it is specifically worded to affect all units in the army, not just ones with chapter tactics. That's why it also applies to WH units if you're playing a list with allies.

Bookwrack wrote:

Sothas wrote:TL flamers/meltas is chapter tactics is it not? Last time i checked SoB don't have combat tactics. So no, they wouldn't get the special flamers.

In order so that things without chapter tactics, such as dreadnoughts and landspeeders, would also benefit from Vulkan's ability, it is specifically worded to affect all units in the army, not just ones with chapter tactics. That's why it also applies to WH units if you're playing a list with allies.

Huh... well sallies can suck it. God I hate them. Friend here has a sallie list that is very unfriendly and he wins almost every tournie he plays in. If that's the case then yeah, i guess they would work. Not that I don't believe you, but tomorrow I'm gunna reread the entry just to make sure... and probably cry.

somerandomdude wrote:Yes, this is perfectly legal. Technically you need the printed Witch Hunter codex, as it includes the ally rules.

I'd just like to add, that this is an urban myth. The printed codex is just as much invalid as any first printings of any other codex. Just because you have a hard copy of an outdated rule does not make that rule re-appear in the old way. As usual, feel free to field anything as allies in friendly games.

Jidmah wrote:

somerandomdude wrote:Yes, this is perfectly legal. Technically you need the printed Witch Hunter codex, as it includes the ally rules.

I'd just like to add, that this is an urban myth. The printed codex is just as much invalid as any first printings of any other codex. Just because you have a hard copy of an outdated rule does not make that rule re-appear in the old way. As usual, feel free to field anything as allies in friendly games.

GW stated that the PDF didn't replace the printed Codex when they released the PDF. Urban Myth 1, Jidmah 0.

Wasn't it FAQed or was it only FAQed for a big US tournament?

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Jidmah wrote:

somerandomdude wrote:Yes, this is perfectly legal. Technically you need the printed Witch Hunter codex, as it includes the ally rules.

I'd just like to add, that this is an urban myth. The printed codex is just as much invalid as any first printings of any other codex. Just because you have a hard copy of an outdated rule does not make that rule re-appear in the old way. As usual, feel free to field anything as allies in friendly games.

GW stated that the PDF didn't replace the printed Codex when they released the PDF. Urban Myth 1, Jidmah 0.

Never seen that, can you provide a link or something?

Not sure of where to find the actual announcement, but I do remember several high-profile tournaments still labelled it as legal after the PDF.

There is no such thing as codex invalidation. There is only codex validation, and so far the Witchhunters printed codex is valid.

So I can field 2 wound ork bikers, if I get one of the old printings?

If your opponent allows it in your army.

Jidmah wrote:So I can field 2 wound ork bikers, if I get one of the old printings?

If your opponent, or the TO, alows it

As usual

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/blogPost.jsp?aId=11200008a

Andy wrote:The other point that seems to be causing the most confusion is whether or not the PDF versions supersede the printed versions. They don't: you should feel free to continue to use whatever resources you have available to play your games with; the PDF does not overrule or invalidate the printed Codex book.

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And ork bikers were errata'd, so no.

Thanks for the link.

Ork bikers were never errata'd, just their nobz were, because those were misprinted when they fixed the first error.

nosferatu1001 wrote:

Jidmah wrote:So I can field 2 wound ork bikers, if I get one of the old printings?

If your opponent, or the TO, alows it

As usual

How is this different to using an outdated copy of anything else?

Oh, my bad. Thanks, Jidmah.

Jidmah wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Jidmah wrote:

somerandomdude wrote:Yes, this is perfectly legal. Technically you need the printed Witch Hunter codex, as it includes the ally rules.

I'd just like to add, that this is an urban myth. The printed codex is just as much invalid as any first printings of any other codex. Just because you have a hard copy of an outdated rule does not make that rule re-appear in the old way. As usual, feel free to field anything as allies in friendly games.

GW stated that the PDF didn't replace the printed Codex when they released the PDF. Urban Myth 1, Jidmah 0.

Never seen that, can you provide a link or something?

There's some sites backing the claim up if you yahoo it ("WH allies still lega"l) including some that directly quote GW, such as http://www.baldandscreaming.com/commentary/allies-no-more/ . I can't find GWs original statement though.

EDIT: Here's a Dakka thread, with our very own Mannahnin, confirming it! http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/333130.page#2218744

AlmightyWalrus wrote:
There's some sites backing the claim up if you yahoo it ("WH allies still lega"l) including some that directly quote GW, such as http://www.baldandscreaming.com/commentary/allies-no-more/ . I can't find GWs original statement though.

EDIT: Here's a Dakka thread, with our very own Mannahnin, confirming it! http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/333130.page#2218744

And, you know, I posted it like two posts above you.