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Ok so forgive me for sounding like 90% of most first posters "HELP, I'm new to this, need help!!"
but I need to start some where eh.

I've just gotten back into Warhammer, played space orks back in the day, when you got like 16 in a box or something.... long time ago...
anyway ive just started again and I've decided to play space wolves, just coz they look bad ass, but I'm not too sure how I should be modelling them.
I've bought two space wolves packs and a rune priest, and I want to model a 15 man blood claw squad and some wolf guards, what do you lads in all your wisdom, think is the best way to make up
a blood claw squad, what do i need and not need, just in terms of a well rounded squad??

any help or feed back is much appreciated, and please don't be a hater!


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So many views, can no one help??

Well, taking a look at the codex would certainly help. Although, generally speaking, with fifteen models you can take two special weapons and a PW/PF

Thanks for that, your help is much appreciated.
Yes, the codex would help, I've bought one and still waiting for it to arrive, shipping was supposed to take about three weeks, so should be here soon, just wanted to know how to model my blood claws so I cant paint
while I wait for it to get here. Thanks again!
Are you a space wolves player, and what would you recommend?

Blood Claws are okay but generally need a Wolf Priest to be effective.
Grey Hunters are widely regarded as some of the best troop choices in the game.
The Rune Priest is a very good choice for s upport HQ
Wolf Guard are very good when used as pack leaders.

I genraly run them in 15 model packs with a Wolf Priest [All types Blood/Swift/Sky Claws] Lead by a Wolf Priest and if I can a Wolf Guard. My Sky/Swift Claws usaly also get a Wolf Guard Battle Leader with Paired Wolf Claws
I have yet to determain weither the Power Weapon or Power Fist Works Better.
Special Weapons: Take the Flamer! and if you take a Power Fist Give it to him.
They can eat up a lot of points and they will generly give you One or Two Good Assualt.

If you want more Read my Senergy Thread.

I'd say a power fist would work well, especially if you don't have a Wolf Guard with one.
Getting stuck in CC with a walker for a few turns will be annoying.

If you want to branch out, buy two Space Marine Tactical squads and mix/match them with the Space Wolves pack.

The best bet is to wait for the codex to allow you to build them right the first time with legal weapon combinations instead of having to yank glued arms and weapons off to make them legal.


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Just to add without violating the rules, you would be safe making at least 10 with bolt pistol and chainsword before you would need to codex for special weapons and special close combat weapons.

The Space Wolf Battle Force is a great way to go. If you got the Cash
3x Space Wolf Battle Force
1x Space Marine Battle Force
1x Ravenwing Battle Force
1x Wolf Gaurd Terminator Pack
and Assualt on Black Reach
It is alot of Cash, but you will get almost anthing you Need including 3 Drop Podes, 2 "Rhinos", 2 dreads, Skyclaws, Swift Claws and some Scouts.

I have been playing the space wolves codex since it's current inception, and it is one of the most effective all round lists ever written.

Kudos to Purplefood, well written! Seconded on all points except possibly bloodclaws, they are pretty sub par, but largely this is because they compete directly with grey hunters in the troop slots.

There are multiple excellent builds that can come out of the codex and at the point you described being you should probably decide what kind of army you want to make at this point. I would give equal concern to what you enjoy painting, and how you want the army to play, they are very different. The big examples:

Mechanized wolves:

...at least 6 vehicles, preferably 9+, probably MSU in razorbacks or in rhinos, both of which are great. I run a list that started around 6 Razrobacks with 5 man grey hunter squads in them, season to taste with more vehicles, basic predators, dreadnoughts, pod dreads a Landraider, vindicators, and land speeder Typhoons are all great ad ins. Armor overload is the idea here.

Pod Wolves:

All drop pod wolf units, probably 6 units of 9-10 grey hunters in 6 pods and multiple wolf guard units. This is a heavy assault list, every unit benefits from a wolfguard leader here, probably with a fist and every unit should have 1 or 2, meltaguns, dont forget the banners and the wolfen models. Consider a Wolfguard squad with all combimeltas for T1 shock. Consider short squads of 5 grey hunters with a melta who can bring 2 attached terminators, an HQ and a wolf guard each, these squads can bring your lords down with them, and or have a Wolfguard terminator as well, cyclone chainfist Wolf Guard Leader Terminators in squads like this are a nasty surprise.

Thunderwolves:

Build an army of your favorite things from the dex around at least 1 5 man unit of Thunderwolves and 1-2 wolf lords. This is an incredible assault force, but the high price Thunderwolves will need scoring units to help them out, and pretty much MUST have a Saga of the Bear leader. Successful combinations for Thunderwolves include 5 Missile Launcher Long fang squads, a pod of shock troops of some kind and MSU mobile scoring grey hunters.

Shooty Wolves:

Build the army around 3 units of long fangs, probably with 5 rocket launchers in each, ad a terminator Wolfguard to each squad, preferably with a cyclone and make 7 rocket shots that split fire each round per squad, and have a 2+ save to eat the od AP3 wound. Be sure to include adequate scoring units and counter assault units to this army. Good additions also include Landspeeder typhoons for even more missile fire!

Deathstar:

Build the army around a Wolfguard squad in a Crusader with 1-2 wolf lords (8 models total). Make one of the Wolfguard the Thor Character as well. Lightning claws are favored here, but there are many good options. Playing Logan Grimnar makes the terminators score, a very important addition that changes this army.

Psychic Overload:

Build an army round 4 grey hunter squads in rhinos each with a rune priest to shoot out, make them all have JOTWW. This army will eat Tyranids, Orks and Tau alive but be disadvantaged vs blood angels and dark eldar in most of their builds, 4x JOTWW is EPIC versus many armies. This is a variant of the mechanized army listed above, season to taste. Pair this build with Longfangs to really give Eldraad Eldar a hard time. Throw in a single short squad Drop Pod and optionally decide to bring 1-4 Runepriests down that way in T1 instead after seeing set ups.

Good luck with your efforts Wolfbrother!

Bloodclaws are subpar but if they are with a Wolf Priest they can turn very nasty...
JOTWW isn't actually that great against all armies.
Most have I 3 or better giving you 50/50 chance of killing whatever it is you're shooting at, LL and Murderous Hurricaine are better IMO.
Your Deathstar build doesn't seem to be that great... Loganwing is probably better.
Mechanised wolves is a very strong list, remember to take Long Fangs if you're playing in a competetive environment though.

purplefood wrote:Bloodclaws are subpar but if they are with a Wolf Priest they can turn very nasty...

Sure, in some situations they are pretty cool, I have a full squad of 15, with the character and a leader, and I have run over 30 strong ork boy mobs with that charge it's incredible, and grey hunters dont really do that, agreed, but it's just a limited scope, and grey hunters are always good!

purplefood wrote:JOTWW isn't actually that great against all armies.

Oh sure, its awful vs runes of warding or Dark Eldar, but it's probably the single best tool for getting rid of IG banners, ICs, Gazghull Thrakka, Big Meks, Nasty HQs, Tervigons, and the like.

purplefood wrote:Most have I 3 or better giving you 50/50 chance of killing whatever it is you're shooting at, LL and Murderous Hurricaine are better IMO.

Sure, but with 4, you're going to get the guy for sure, pretty great versus anyone not in a jumppack! Plus with 2 skills each you will end up with those as well, my go to runepriest is always living lightning JOTWW, and my second usually Murderous Hurricane and JOTWW. Season to taste, I have gotten some mileage with the raging tempest (?) the difficult ground spell also, I just never play the 2 wolf spell.

purplefood wrote:Your Deathstar build doesn't seem to be that great... Loganwing is probably better.

I was just outlining a simple idea, Loganwing, of course (all terminators, or at least all Wolf Guard) tell us a good Loganwing build! That's one I have never done, but think is interesting to be sure.

purplefood wrote:Mechanised wolves is a very strong list, remember to take Long Fangs if you're playing in a competitive environment though.

Definitely, of ALL the space wolves units I play and have painted they get the most play time they are always awesome! There's so much utility in the missile launcher, when you can switch from blast to S8, and always 48 range, its just the best overall, clearly! split fire is just wicked too!

Loganwing is a tricky list to play but IMO the best idea is to go all drop pods and equip them with combi-meltas and terminator armour.
Support can be gained from LS and either Long Fangs or predator/vindicator.

I have run a Twin 15 model Blood Claw + Wolf Priest list and done very well.
Mostly I run:
2x 10 Man Foot Gun-Line Grey Hunters with Plasma Gun list.
2x 15 man Blood Claws [one with Power Weapon and one with Power Fist] + a Wolf Priest each.
2x 6 man Long Fangs [5x ML & 3x ML, x2 HB]
and a mix of otherthings like Lone Wolves, Scouts or Logan in a Pod along with Wolf Guard.
This usaly wins for me.

gak guys, thanks heaps for all the awesome input. So many more choices than I had ever imagined, lots to think about for now!
I'm glad I chose this forum, heaps of great members as I can now see! Thanks again.
Off to paint now, just gonna make some up some basic BCs and will let everyone know my choices once I get my codex!



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Gak, lol

If you make BCs you could probably use them as GH as well...

I went into GW today and had a look in the codex, I've decided to go for a 15 man BC squad, take two flamers (chose flamers over plasma/melta due to the BCs being a dedicated cc squad) and a sergeant with power fist and plasma pistol. Still unsure about the rest of my army but will keep everyone posted, che che.

Drop the plasma pistol...
Not really worth the points with a BS of 3.

Ok cheers for the tip. For my grey hunter squads, I'm thinking of having a melta and a plasma, what do you think about that. I'm thinking about having options, but if anyone thinks I should go both or either let me know. CHeers

I would advise against mix matching your special weapons. At any given time, one will end up being useless.

The best bet is to go both of the same special weapon. So dual meltas on one pack and dual plasma on another. Space Wolves work extremely well when tasked with an objective and equipped properly. Trying to equip them for too many tasks renders them useless.

PMd 230+ page tactica on Warseer

I actualy find the Plasma Pistol to be realy useful vs MEQs, Nids, and Transports if all you have is a Pair of Flamers, It is almost nessessary if you are running without a Wolf Guard or a Power Fist.

If you are painting still, this might really help you out. There is a line of spray paint called American Accents and the color in it called 'Iris Blue' pretty much is Space Wolves blue! Assuming you want the baby blue grey look on all the art. Here's an example of some of mine:

Augustus wrote:If you are painting still, this might really help you out. There is a line of spray paint called American Accents and the color in it called 'Iris Blue' pretty much is Space Wolves blue! Assuming you want the baby blue grey look on all the art. Here's an example of some of mine:

Whoa, that is pretty damn nice. I wonder how that blue would come out with either a nice black inking or even using Army Painter quick shade. I might have to do some test models with that spray. Did you basecoast them with that spray or did you basecoat them with a different primer?

Thanks!

I did them all strait from grey plastic to the american accents color. Then I made a shadow grey glaze to paint over it with lquitex matte medium.

http://www.bigpaintstore.com/rus-7933830.html

With the mixing of special weapons, I've found that the free flamer/melta combo works well. The range is similar, they're both assault, and one just vaporizes enemies. also good for cracking transports so you can assault the squishy insides

I saw those models in the space marine show off forum, can't remember the exact name, very nice dude, I like the colours you have used, the silver detailing instead of the gw gold style is neat. I especially like the "kill shot" plasma pistol, very gangsta! I've painted one of my wolf guards up, I'll chuck him up when I can be bothered to photograph him, see what you all think.


Edited for my uber pro speeling mitsakse


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AvatarForm wrote:PMd 230+ page tactica on Warseer

Shot bro

Ragnar + 14 Blood Claws w/ flamer, power fist + 1 Wolf Guard w/ combi-flamer & mark of the wulfen + Land Raider Crusader= FTW!!!

Ragnar with Blodd Claws is a massive waste...
Now Ragnar with 10 Wolf Guard and a handy assortment of power fists and power weapons, well that'll put a dent in anything.

purplefood wrote:Ragnar with Blodd Claws is a massive waste...
Now Ragnar with 10 Wolf Guard and a handy assortment of power fists and power weapons, well that'll put a dent in anything.

Actualy if you can get Ragnar his 2 Puppies a Wolf Priest with Saga of the Wolfkin and 15 Blood Claws into an assualt it is well worth the points.
The FAQ/Ettata says that Blood Claws get 2-3 Extra Attacks not 1-3.

I'm fine with that but why waste his special rule on BC when he can use it to much greater effect on GH or WG.