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So my friend was telling me about this ability called "Zogwart's Curse" he says it essentially turns any independent character withing 18 inches into a squig if he rolls better than me. So i immediately think "there's no way this can be used on a C'tan"(my deceiver) Am i just giving myself a false sense of hope? Can this really be possible?

Your friend is correct...unfortunately.

Yep, even a Star God can be rendered useless by this...

Or rather, a Star God's current physical manifestation can be rendered useless by it...

Defiler37 wrote:So my friend was telling me about this ability called "Zogwart's Curse" he says it essentially turns any independent character withing 18 inches into a squig if he rolls better than me. So i immediately think "there's no way this can be used on a C'tan"(my deceiver) Am i just giving myself a false sense of hope? Can this really be possible?

Hahahhahahha I told you Ethan, I was right!

Ah well darn, i was hopeful, thanks guys. =)


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Surfboard66 wrote:

Defiler37 wrote:So my friend was telling me about this ability called "Zogwart's Curse" he says it essentially turns any independent character withing 18 inches into a squig if he rolls better than me. So i immediately think "there's no way this can be used on a C'tan"(my deceiver) Am i just giving myself a false sense of hope? Can this really be possible?

Hahahhahahha I told you Ethan, I was right!

one word:

He's really not that bad actually. If he does get close enough he still has to pass a psychic test with Ld 8 and beat you in a roll off. The odds aren't super.

Just keep any valuable characters away from him and you'll be fine.

Ld10. In a bunch of boyz 10 or more at least.

nosferatu1001 wrote:Ld10. In a bunch of boyz 10 or more at least.

Touche sir.

Isn't a C'Tan not an independent character? If he IS, then I've been not attaching lords to him for far too long.

Unit1126PLL wrote:Isn't a C'Tan not an independent character? If he IS, then I've been not attaching lords to him for far too long.

He is an independent character, but cannot be joined by other units.

Unit1126PLL wrote:Isn't a C'Tan not an independent character? If he IS, then I've been not attaching lords to him for far too long.

Nah man hes independent.

GangstaMuffin24 wrote:

Unit1126PLL wrote:Isn't a C'Tan not an independent character? If he IS, then I've been not attaching lords to him for far too long.

He is an independent character, but cannot be joined by other units.

Wait so he IS an IC but cannot do what an IC does?

Mind=blown

He is an independent character, but it is stated in his rules that he cannot be joined by anyone else.

It's still on Ld 8 for Zogwart, having a bunch of boyz gives the squad Ld 10, but Psychic tests must be made on the models own Ld value. I also believe the Deceiver and Nightbringer are both Monstrous Creatures, so they can't join squads.

CrashCanuck wrote:It's still on Ld 8 for Zogwart, having a bunch of boyz gives the squad Ld 10, but Psychic tests must be made on the models own Ld value.

Which is 10 when in a squad.

There is no such thing as a UNIT LD value. The unit LD is that of the model with the highest LD. Mob Rule replaces every model in the units LD with that of the squad size. So Zogworts LD is 10 when in a squad over 10 models.

nope, all ork LD are modified by the amount of orks in the unit, even Psy tests (specifically says so)

The Ctan are an example of ancient codex syndrome

These days they just make you an OP hunk of gouda without the IC rule instead

CrashCanuck wrote:It's still on Ld 8 for Zogwart, having a bunch of boyz gives the squad Ld 10, but Psychic tests must be made on the models own Ld value. I also believe the Deceiver and Nightbringer are both Monstrous Creatures, so they can't join squads.

Ork FAQ says you're wrong. The rules also say so, but its easiest to point you there...

From memory ICs could pick out specific models to attack in CC in 3rd ed, so it did have a reason back then - snipingout powerfists, mainly

Monstrous Creatures can join squads, or if not, tell me where.

So why would they give the C'Tan the IC rule at all, and instead save the ink?

Unit1126PLL wrote:So why would they give the C'Tan the IC rule at all, and instead save the ink?

Because in 3rd edition Independent Characters were treated differently than they are in 5th.

Fair enough. Damn old codex.

thats one very confused squig


"Read all about it"

"God in a Can gets squigified. Necron Lord seeks to dispell fears that Phaseout is immenant. Zogwort could not be reached for comment at this time"

No worries OP!

The new Necron codex is around the Corner, and C'Tans are cheaper, and now elite choices.

But probably a tad less lethal

I think i'm happier with the 'shard of a god' avatistic thing.

The Ctan stats as they are now don't really reflect god-level badassery to me, given there are mortals out there who can match or better their stats on average (though that T8 is a tough one to match ) for less points.


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I guess this means i'll have to retire my Ctan squigs :(

Unit1126PLL wrote:Monstrous Creatures can join squads, or if not, tell me where.

No. Only independent characters can join squads. MCs that are also ICs would be able to join squads.

Unit1126PLL wrote:Monstrous Creatures can join squads, or if not, tell me where.

you tell me where it says MCs can join squads.
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MCs can't join squads anymore then Walkers can.

Unless, as already noted, they have the independent character rule

I can't think of any specific examples of units that are both MCs and IC's (and can actually join units) , but there may be some out there in some far flung or future codex

the Tyranid codex is the only one i know of.

nosferatu1001 wrote:

CrashCanuck wrote:It's still on Ld 8 for Zogwart, having a bunch of boyz gives the squad Ld 10, but Psychic tests must be made on the models own Ld value.

Ork FAQ says you're wrong. The rules also say so, but its easiest to point you there...

Yes. While the brb says leadership of the model, it specifically states in the ork codex (I believe under Weirdboys) that mob rule works for their psychic tests and their leadership score.