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I was doing some research on how to improve my Ork army a few days ago and I found something very interesting, Ork Weirdboys and Old Zogwort. When I found out how good they are I felt like, really dumb for overlooking their skills. They seem really great. Put em in a squad with 30 boys making him fearless with LD 10 so he can pass his Test easily. Also with the powers they have are great, except getting a 1 although he can just upgrade him to a Warphead for 30 points allowing him to re roll to see what power he uses. The best parts I see in my eyes is the free WAAAGH, Deep Striking, or having a power weapon in CC. With Zogwort in CC you roll on the chart if you get a 1-3 you have a power weapon with D6 plus base attacks plus 1 for charging. So yea they seem like a bargin for how many points they are. I want to know your guys thoughts on this before I buy any models. His the list that I plan on using him with. Thanks guys
-M.C.
HQ- Ghazghkull Thraka

HQ- Old Zogwort

Elites- 10 Nobz
-Waaagh Banner
-4 Power Klaws
- 2 Big Choppa’s
-Shoota/Rokkit Kombi Weapon
-Shoota/Skorcha Kombi Weapon
-All ‘Eavy Armor
-All Cybork Bodies
-Painboy
- Grot Orderly
- Ammo Grot

Elites: 12 Loota’s
- 1 Mek with Big Shoota

Elites: 11 Kommandos
- 2 Burnas
- Led by Boss Sninkrot

Troops- 30 Boyz
-All Sluggas and Choppas
-1 Rokkit Launcha’s
-Nob Leader
-Power Klaw
-Boss Pole
-2 Big Shoota

Troops- 30 Boyz
-All Sluggas and Choppas
-Nob Leader
-Power Klaw
-Boss Pole
-3 Big Shoota’s

Heavy Support- 1 Battle Wagon

- 1 Big Shoota
- Reinforced Ram
- Grot Riggers
- Red Paint Job

Fast Attack- 3 DeffKoptas
- All twin-linked rokkits

Well the part of a weirdboy or better a warphead is that the automatically hit the targets with frazzle and zaaap. Deep striking is cool but can come at a bad time when you just want to get into combat time, but what I would do if near combat is roll the dice and if the result is bad don't risk it and just opt for Zogs Curse. I would like to try him with Grotsnik in a 30 strong mob of 'ard boyz. Having said that... your list needs work... Deffkoptas should be taken in units of 1. Battle wagon with no deffrolla? 12 Lootas is bad take 2 units of 5, nobz are troop as you are taking Ghaz and WTF is with the Mek and Big Shoota? Dakka Gun is way better. Again with the cybork and 'eavy armor on the nobz, IMO a waste of points, are you taking an ammo grot on your painboy? Sorry for sounding like an ass but didn't we just cover this a day or 2 ago here: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/366098.page

Ok ignoring the list, Weirdboyz and Zogwort belong in Green Tide lists, easily. If I ever did one, I'd take Ghazz and Zogwort. Zogwort or a Weirdboy do belong in a big mob of boyz, ideally shootas really for that sneaky 24" jump and shoot

Zogwort himself is probably the most epic character in the book. Wounds 2+ with alot of attack potential. That and who cannot ignore squigging some IC

It has for a long time been my wet dream to have a green tide (apocalypse formtion) with 70 shootas and 10 big shootas, remember you can take one pr. 10 orks. then throw in the boss and a wierdboy. then hope beyond hopes to roll the 'ere we go deepstrike thingy, the look of horror upon everybody's faces when you try to place 100+ boys for a deepstrike. But if it were to be succesful with the deepstrike you absolutely devastate that tac squad you just landed in front of lol.

I have run Dok and Zogwort in 'ard boyz several times. For the most part, it is a very great combination. While Dok's rage is a pain, his FNP really helps keep Zoggy around.

Personally, I think Zogwort is highly underestimated. He catches a lot of people by surprise as they are always concerned about his curse and forget he can be quite nasty in CC. d6 attacks at I4, plus his base attacks (potentially 10 on the charge) and they all wound on a 2+.

Zogwort or a Weirdboy do belong in a big mob of boyz, ideally shootas really for that sneaky 24" jump and shoot

Sounds great in theory. However, it has been my experience they do this and then get wiped out when your opponent returns fire with that large blast template your entire unit conveniently fits under. Warpath, Zzap, and Frazzle are my preferred choices. And, if you happen to get 1-3 while in CC, that is how many attacks at 2+ that are now considered power weapons? Oh yeah. Good times.

i would really like to try mad dok grotsnik in a unit of 30 ard boys charging up the feild closely followed by zogwort and 30 boys.
feel no pain on 30 ard boys has gotta be good plus they're giving the unit behind them a 4+ cover save too

I'd probably take snikrot and some kommandos with this to force them away from the table edges and then as many deffkoptas as possible for suicide runs in the first turn

Surfboard66 wrote:
Elites- 10 Nobz
-Waaagh Banner
-4 Power Klaws
- 2 Big Choppa’s
-Shoota/Rokkit Kombi Weapon
-Shoota/Skorcha Kombi Weapon
-All ‘Eavy Armor
-All Cybork Bodies
-Painboy
- Grot Orderly
- Ammo Grot

What's the point cost on this? I estimate it around 500 points?

Should be 458, without checking the codex. You could change one PK to a BC on the nobz mob and drop one nob entirely. You won't notice the difference in killing power. Also either 'eavy armor or cybork, not both. Most people, including me, prefer cybork, as 'eavy armor can't stop most instant death wounds.

rana dandra wrote:It has for a long time been my wet dream to have a green tide (apocalypse formtion) with 70 shootas and 10 big shootas, remember you can take one pr. 10 orks. then throw in the boss and a wierdboy. then hope beyond hopes to roll the 'ere we go deepstrike thingy, the look of horror upon everybody's faces when you try to place 100+ boys for a deepstrike. But if it were to be succesful with the deepstrike you absolutely devastate that tac squad you just landed in front of lol.

I think that has a good chance of mishap-ing!

I use wierdboyz quite regularly in a mob of 20 sluggas (because they represent madboyz better than shootas) and find either:
The wierdboy is super-awesome and very useful
or
The wierboy does nothing useful

Varies from game to game, but when things go well, well things go well.

DEFINATELY take the warphead upgrade, that re-roll makes them so much more effective!