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OK, I know literally nothing about Orks. I traded for some AoBR stuff and want to make it work as soon as I finish my mech vets. Here's what I came up with. Let me know what you think:

HQ

Ghazghkull: 225 (riding with a boyz mob?)

Mek w/ Kff: 85 (riding with the Nobz?)

Elites

5 Lootas: 75

5 Lootas: 75

5 Lootas: 75

Troops

10 Nobz (1 painboy, 1 w/ klaw, 1 w/ klaw + combiskorcha, 1 w/ klaw + combirokkit, 1 w/ bosspole, 1 w/ combiskorcha, 1 w/ combirokkit, 3x normally armed) all w/ Cybork bodies: 380

Dedicated Transport: Battlewagon w/ Deff Rolla, Red Paint, Grot Riggers, Big Shoota

20 Boyz, Nob w/ Klaw: 155 (riding in wagon)

20 Boyz, Nob w/ Klaw: 155 (riding in wagon)

20 Boyz, Nob w/ Klaw: 155 (riding in wagon)

Heavy Support

Battle Wagon w/ Deff Rolla and Red Paint: 115

Battle Wagon w/ Deff Rolla and Red Paint: 115

Battle Wagon w/ Deff Rolla and Red Paint: 115



The basic premise here is to load everybody in wagons, hopefully demech a few targets from afar with the Lootas (too small to really want to allocate fire to, individually), and steamroll everything with Deff Rollas. Use the wall of AV14 and the blanket 4+ from the Big Mek to close the distance ASAP. I would have gone with 30-man footsloggin' boyz but with Grey Knights' power you have to figure you're losing half of them in the first round of combat anyway, so...yeah...lame. Also, once your Nob gets smoked by Telion/vindicare whatever, your boyz aren't doing much, hence the wagons.

Drop the RPJ if you must on those battle wagons and pick up a big shoota, I believe most players take them because if you get a weapon destroyed result you lose your deffrolla and all the orks would cry. Also I am not seeing boss poles on those ork mobs nor am I seeing a Waaagh Banner in those nobs and you need more diversity, where the big choppas at? If you want Ghaz or the Mek with the boys you need to drop a few boyz to make room as Battle Wagons can only hold 20 models and Ghaz has mega armor so he counts as 2 models. I would keep Ghaz with the boys, Ghaz with the nobs makes one very juicy appealing target.

I'd toally agree with Hargus... Specially about the big shootas... A Battlewagon without a Deffrolla is no Battlewagon at all imo.

I'd agree too, except that any good opponent would pick the deffrolla over the big shoota to destroy (in other words, you don't get to pick what weapon is destroyed). The big Shootas are to prevent your BW's from becoming immobilized on a weapon destroyed result.

TBH considering yoy said nothing about Orks this isn't a half bad list. Only suggestion is give the Nobz in the Boyz units bosspoles as 20 Boyz can be taken down quickly and make sure all Wagons have big shootas, you don't need red paint job. Reason for this is you get a immobilised result twice and you're wrecked.

Thanks for the suggestions guys. I was hoping you'd chime in, Mercer, as we same to have the same taste in spammy lists.

So I'm thinking, drop 2 Boyz from each squad so I can move Ghazkull as needed. Swap out Red Paint on all the Wagons for Big Shootas. That'll give me 36 points to play with...

Add a boss pole to each mob, 15 points. Add a Twin Linked Shoota to the Nobz for more wound shenanegans and add a Waaagh banner. That leaves me with one lonely point. In total...

HQ

Ghazghkull: 225 (riding with a boyz mob?)

Mek w/ Kff: 85 (riding with the Nobz?)

Elites

5 Lootas: 75

5 Lootas: 75

5 Lootas: 75

Troops

10 Nobz (1 painboy, 1 w/ klaw, 1 w/ klaw + combiskorcha, 1 w/ klaw + combirokkit, 1 w/ bosspole, 1 w/ combiskorcha, 1 w/ combirokkit, 1 w/ Twin-Linked Shoota, 1 w/ Waaagh banner, 1 normally armed) all w/ Cybork bodies: 400

Dedicated Transport: Battlewagon w/ Deff Rolla, Grot Riggers, Big Shoota

18 Boyz, 1 is a Nob w/ Klaw: 143 (riding in wagon)

18 Boyz, 1 is a Nob w/ Klaw: 143 (riding in wagon)

18 Boyz, 1 is a Nob w/ Klaw: 143 (riding in wagon)

Heavy Support

Battle Wagon w/ Deff Rolla and Big Shoota: 115

Battle Wagon w/ Deff Rolla and Big Shoota: 115

Battle Wagon w/ Deff Rolla and Big Shoota: 115

The Big Shoota won't save your Rolla in most games, as the other player gets to decide what gets ripped off with weapon destroyed results!

i thought you picked what weapon you lose? i have been playing wrong for some time. Or is this a ork only rule?

Hargus56 wrote:Drop the RPJ if you must on those battle wagons and pick up a big shoota, I believe most players take them because if you get a weapon destroyed result you lose your deffrolla and all the orks would cry.

I believe that a deffrolla isn't counted as a weapon in this instance, it's a vehicle upgrade similar to Red paint / grot riggers. By the same logic the reinforced ram wouild count as a weapon meaning that you could give one to trukk to prevent an immobilised result after the big shoota on it is weapon destroyed? [that is in the very unlikely event that a trukk can take two hits without exploding and being destroyed entirely.


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NuggzTheNinja wrote:

Mek w/ Kff: 85 (riding with the Nobz?)

10 Nobz (1 painboy, 1 w/ klaw, 1 w/ klaw + combiskorcha, 1 w/ klaw + combirokkit, 1 w/ bosspole, 1 w/ combiskorcha, 1 w/ combirokkit, 1 w/ Twin-Linked Shoota, 1 w/ Waaagh banner, 1 normally armed) all w/ Cybork bodies: 400

Dedicated Transport: Battlewagon w/ Deff Rolla, Grot Riggers, Big Shoota

Would it need the grot riggers because of mek tools? the 5 points spare could buy you another nob upgrade - normally armed -> big choppa?

4 BattleWaggons is actually pretty hilarious.

To be frank, go 2 mobs of 20 boys and 1 mob of 18. By all accounts, you can't play the shell game with who is in what transport. So why weaken the other two mobs?

Ditch the Twin-linked Shoota and the Riggers and you will be 1 point over with 3 boys (so 18, 19, and 20). If you can squeeze the last 7 points out to get the last boy and get down to 1725, go for it.

And yeah, I would count the Rolla as a weapon, because the arguement of it being an upgrade means they couldn't destroy the killcannon either.

If your asking for a definition, I would have to say any upgrade that can be used as a weapon or count offensivily (so yes, even a ram) can be destoyed by Weapon Destroyed results.

BlkTom wrote:And yeah, I would count the Rolla as a weapon, because the arguement of it being an upgrade means they couldn't destroy the killcannon either.

If your asking for a definition, I would have to say any upgrade that can be used as a weapon or count offensivily (so yes, even a ram) can be destoyed by Weapon Destroyed results.

Ok, if it were a weapon destroyed result, would the wagon still be able to re-roll the dangerous terrain tests? Obviously page 61 of rulebook does state upgrades that function as weapon can be considered for weapon destroyed results, but as example it lists two ranged/shooty weapon.

Vichyssoise wrote:The Big Shoota won't save your Rolla in most games, as the other player gets to decide what gets ripped off with weapon destroyed results!

The Big Shoota is to prevent Weapon Destroyed -> Immobilized. The Deff Rolla is not a weapon. Neither is a Dirge Caster or a Reinforced Ram. It works during the movement phase, and counts as "ramming". It's not a weapon with a profile. It simply changes the tank shock effects.

There are many many MANY arguments about this. Is the Deffrolla a weapon that can be destroyed?? There is even a fairly extensive thread on this site about it, and having read through it all last night, I can now tell you, that it, and the other thrtee random forum discussions about the same subject, proved to be inconclusive.

What we really need is a definitive ruling from GW about it.

Some are suggesting that its a weapon as it has a str value, and some arguing that as it is in effect a weapon, in that it does to be fair cause massive damage, can be destroyed as a weapon, but then the definitions say its not a weapon, its an upgrade, so if that can be destroyed, so can a Red Paint Job, Ard Case, and Grot Riggers. Can you really see a single shot scraping all the red paint off a wagon???

There is no defining rule at present that I am aware of, and so best bet is to discuss it with your opponent, or maybe talk to your local GW rep about it... Failing that, just roll a dice about it before each game to decide on the rule... Leave it to fate!!!!


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Lol... managed to fit 9 commas in one sentence!!! Thats a personal record!

NuggzTheNinja wrote:Thanks for the suggestions guys. I was hoping you'd chime in, Mercer, as we same to have the same taste in spammy lists.

Redunacy you mean mate, redunacy

Vichyssoise wrote:The Big Shoota won't save your Rolla in most games, as the other player gets to decide what gets ripped off with weapon destroyed results!

What? Deff rolla isn't a weapon it's wargear. That's like saying weapon destroyed takes off the grot riggers. The rule book gives you examples what weapons are.

So little changes aside...4 Battle Wagons Deff-Rolling everything in sight...viable tactic?

Its a boring, but effective tac....

NuggzTheNinja wrote:So little changes aside...4 Battle Wagons Deff-Rolling everything in sight...viable tactic?

Yes viable. Nothing like smashing into stuff at high speed

Big Shoota is to keep the wagon from being immobilized.

Deff Rolla is not a weapon.




Also, try and get a Waaagh! Banner, and maybe reduce the number of Nobz, or remove one of the random weapons.

That way one can have the banner and still be a separate model. And you should have enough points for the RPJ