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Suprising as it may be they're very useful.
Let me set the scene your opponent has some Vehicles and nasty CC squads are going too assault you now you could guess your range but its very risky.

Enter Flashgitz. Keep them level with your squad and elect to fire at CC unit in question you measure the range and find they're 24" away now being sly you move 5" they now can't get into base contact and assault you. Now if your opponent is smart he may stay put but mostly they go for it. He finds he's not in range and you then charge him.

What do you think. I know the Minimum points with this is 125P or 150 if your being sensible and getting more dakka. And more if you get some Ammo grots.
They're also in a Battlewagon too stop them being killed.

But what do you think?

Doesn't stop the Gitz costing a bag full o' teef Besides, orky Bs2 in all regards does them little favours. And If I wanted CC I'd get normal Nobz anyway

But by all means try it out and see what happens

Im not using them as a CC unit. They're for helping my 30 Ork boys getting the charge.

In a few situation they'd be useful, but they cost too much to be a reliable investment.

If your opponent's have a habit of not taking cover save then they can be descent... I did not mean that sarcastically, just watch a game with a non-meq army and a meq army...

Just count the number of times the non-meq army brings up cover saves or moves models to take advantage of cover saves...

Just count the number of times the meq army brings up cover saves or moves models to take advantage of cover saves...

You would be pleasently suprised if you took flashgits that you will be killing space marines half the time during the shooting phase...

I like to run these with a full group, wagon and KFF and Deff rolla. You can just around and shoot till they come and get you. it works well. it does cost alot but they can kill a crap load when you roll low AP.

meh... they're fun to use, but they compete with other HS troops.

I prefer 5 or 15 man lootas than gitz. Then use the HS for kans/BW.

jordan23ryan wrote:I like to run these with a full group, wagon and KFF and Deff rolla. You can just around and shoot till they come and get you. it works well. it does cost alot but they can kill a crap load when you roll low AP.

So you have 800 points standing around doing nothing until something is coming to get them? You must be an awesomely good player to be able to afford do that.

Flash Gitz don't get a battlewagon as DT, don't have a great range or BS, no exceptional strength or AP. They are jacks of all trades, have a hefty price tag and compete with two of the best units in our codex.
Sadly nothing they do can't be done better by another unit, so they simply lose out.

I play them in fun games, and enjoy them, and yes they can kick alot of ass if you roll low. But the problems are many, and being able to check range first, is seriously, a stupid ability. Anyone that gets 2 or 3 games in has a rough guess of what 6 inches/12 inches/18 inches/24 inches looks like, so being able to check for a couple hundred points isnt worth it

Ok true but it helps get it right 100% not just 80% but I would agree not worth 200P. Yet roll a one and Hit well.against Termies and you've got a MVP.

Jidmah wrote:

jordan23ryan wrote:I like to run these with a full group, wagon and KFF and Deff rolla. You can just around and shoot till they come and get you. it works well. it does cost alot but they can kill a crap load when you roll low AP.

So you have 800 points standing around doing nothing until something is coming to get them? You must be an awesomely good player to be able to afford do that.

Flash Gitz don't get a battlewagon as DT, don't have a great range or BS, no exceptional strength or AP. They are jacks of all trades, have a hefty price tag and compete with two of the best units in our codex.
Sadly nothing they do can't be done better by another unit, so they simply lose out.

It would not be 800 points but we do not play missions that often we like to play Annihilation which is a real mans game. This setup works well. I could have typed it better. The whole point to having the deff rolla is you can do a lot of damage when they get close. These guys do not have Heavy weapons so you can still move 6(7) inches and still shoot. I like a lot of trukks with this build too. Runnnig a 2k game with a lot of trukks and 2 Kff's and a battle wagon or two can go a long ways. I never said they were cheap and they do have there up's and downs. I just would not count them out. I have about 500 orks so playing every different way is not a problem for me. In the end it is a game and you can play a bunch of them if you choose. I would try them out and see how you like them. After you do report back and lets us know what you think.......... By the way I am a Awesomely Good Player

jordan23ryan wrote: but we do not play missions that often we like to play Annihilation which is a real mans game.

That's a very interesting take.

I find that Annihilation takes much less strategy than an objective based game, and developing more complex strategies usually comes with a higher level of thinking, which usually comes with maturity...

Anyway, back on topic. I am not sure if you listen to the Latcs podcast, but in the new show (episode 26) Robo Ed breaks down his experience using the flash gits. If your interested in using them maybe you should check it out.

OP:

Yes, you can put Flash Gitz and useful in the same sentence.

"Flash Gitz are overcosted and not useful."

=D

Yes - you can build a custom scenario in which they are useful, but you can do that for ANY unit. The utility of a unit is dependent on how many broad-spectrum scenarios it can retain its usefulness in.

Then you compare them together. Flash Gitz fall out at the bottom of the heap.

flash git affre fun.

flash gitz are expensive.

they also use a HW slot in the FO chart... no competative or tourney list will field them... but they have thier place on a fun fluff list

G00fySmiley wrote:flash git affre fun.

flash gitz are expensive.

they also use a HW slot in the FO chart...

It's actually worse than that. Regular Nobz can take BW as a Dedicated transport. So if you field them, you still have 3 HS slots left. Gitz can't have dedicated transport, so one unit of Flash Gitz costs you two HS slots, leaving you just one to buy other stuff.

that is assuming you are giving them a BW and not foot slogging them or having them fire back in cover

it is good to give them a BW but i've fielded some without one just chilled with a group of grots holding an objective

Thats an awful lot of points to be just sitting on an objective. FlashGits are one of those units, that if you pay for them, you better use them. Sitting around grinning can be done a helluva lot cheaper

agreed i'd prefer to see them in a bw but i use em in a gunline ork units when i feel like pretending to be IG

my shooty list has

3 groups of 15 lootas

a groupof 10 flash gitz
3 kannons
3 zzap guns

few units of grots and a big mek with SAG to make it legal and you have an very odd ork list (fun someitmes if you feel liek doign a gun line though)

i realise its nto at all competative but then again as said fielding flash gitz never is

G00fySmiley wrote:agreed i'd prefer to see them in a bw but i use em in a gunline ork units when i feel like pretending to be IG

my shooty list has

3 groups of 15 lootas

a groupof 10 flash gitz
3 kannons
3 zzap guns

few units of grots and a big mek with SAG to make it legal and you have an very odd ork list (fun someitmes if you feel liek doign a gun line though)

i realise its nto at all competative but then again as said fielding flash gitz never is

OMG an ork shooty list. Always wanted to play against one of those. BS2 isn't great but i love the fact orks have crazy powered weapons for so little points. I admire you for making an army to have fun unlike alot of players out there. Not every game is a tournament and some people don't realise that

I actually prefer to build my Orks as shooty as possible, but I also like spamming rokkits, youd be surprised to face an Ork build that spams rokkits AND got turn 1. Its pretty crazy.


But really, that shooty list looks like it would be a blast to play though, and who knows, theres some aspects in there that could actually do some damage