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Grand Strategy is a pretty straight forward rule, right? But what if you take 2 grand masters?

Can you give a potential six units special rules?

Can each grand master use a different special rule?

Say you have 3 strike squads. Say you roll a 6 on both Grand Strategy rolls, can you give each strike squad counter attack from one GS, then give them Scout from the other GM?

Then combat squad them for six 5 man squads with 2 extra special rules?


Just food for thought, completely a rules question, I doubt anyone would do it below an apocalypse setting. Oh and on the subject, what would happen if you took 10 grand masters in apocalypse? Army wide special rules granting?

This is not new but it is an interesting question. One which is theoretical for me because I have yet to play a game of enough points to make this (potential) trick feasible.

The combat squadding part of your question is a different matter though. Since Grand Strategy happens before deployment (which is when Combat Squad occurs) yes, the whole 10 man unit gets the ability

Jaon wrote:Grand Strategy is a pretty straight forward rule, right? But what if you take 2 grand masters?

You double the pleasure, though each GM rolls separately for the GS.

Can you give a potential six units special rules?

Yes.

Can each grand master use a different special rule?

Yes.

Say you have 3 strike squads. Say you roll a 6 on both Grand Strategy rolls, can you give each strike squad counter attack from one GS, then give them Scout from the other GM?

Yes.

Then combat squad them for six 5 man squads with 2 extra special rules?

Yes.

Just food for thought, completely a rules question, I doubt anyone would do it below an apocalypse setting. Oh and on the subject, what would happen if you took 10 grand masters in apocalypse? Army wide special rules granting?

You would give up to 10D3 units GS special rules.

Now that it's confirmed, go get them.

Yep, completely legal dude. Have at it!

Completely legal - and means you're giving up on the far greater synergy of a librarian. HQ is the overloaded section in the GK book

Prolly running double GM at 2000 for S&Gs

Uh guys, is this really as settled as you are making it out to be?

Why is there so much contention with Hammerhand stacking with itself or not, yet you are all sure Grand Strategy can stack with itself (be used twice on one unit)?

Stavkat wrote:Uh guys, is this really as settled as you are making it out to be?

Why is there so much contention with Hammerhand stacking with itself or not, yet you are all sure Grand Strategy can stack with itself (be used twice on one unit)?

How are either of these in contention. There's no reason either shouldn't stack.

Stavkat wrote:Uh guys, is this really as settled as you are making it out to be?

Why is there so much contention with Hammerhand stacking with itself or not, yet you are all sure Grand Strategy can stack with itself (be used twice on one unit)?

Because they aren't stacking the same ability on one unit, they are giving it 2 different abilities.

Now, if someone was trying to use gs to give a unit counter-attack twice to double up its attacks, they would be told "No"

Sothas wrote:

Stavkat wrote:Uh guys, is this really as settled as you are making it out to be?

Why is there so much contention with Hammerhand stacking with itself or not, yet you are all sure Grand Strategy can stack with itself (be used twice on one unit)?

How are either of these in contention. There's no reason either shouldn't stack.

There are long threads on multiple forums about Hammerhand. Did you miss them all, or are you just pretending they don't exist?


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omerakk wrote:Because they aren't stacking the same ability on one unit, they are giving it 2 different abilities.

That is the distinction. Still, couldn't someone say the ability "Grand Strategy" is being used twice in one unit, even if it ultimately grants different abilities?

The contention was that hammerhand doesnt stack right?

and Grand Strategy is certainly not stacking, its simply being used twice.

That is another distinction though, grand strategy isn't being used on the targeted units, it is being used by the grand master, which then targets up to 3 units to receive an ability. If they tried to give the same ability to a unit, then they would fall under the hammerhand debate.

Speaking of that, I would direct everyone to this thread:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/120/363914.page

particularly, page 5, my statement, 4th from the bottom of the page.

I feel I made a very valid point there that was completely glossed over by everyone more interested in arguing with Dash

Jaon wrote:Grand Strategy is a pretty straight forward rule, right? But what if you take 2 grand masters?

Can you give a potential six units special rules?

Can each grand master use a different special rule?

Say you have 3 strike squads. Say you roll a 6 on both Grand Strategy rolls, can you give each strike squad counter attack from one GS, then give them Scout from the other GM?

Then combat squad them for six 5 man squads with 2 extra special rules?


Just food for thought, completely a rules question, I doubt anyone would do it below an apocalypse setting. Oh and on the subject, what would happen if you took 10 grand masters in apocalypse? Army wide special rules granting?

If you get a 3 on the d3 roll for each GKGM, then yes, you could gives out 6 total rules of 2 different types, and if these went out to squads that Combat Squadded, then you could indeed have up to 12 individual 5 man units with special rules.

While I tend to lean towards it stacking, it says the following:

Roll a D3 and choose that many infantry, jump infantry, monstrous creature or walker units in your army (but not models with the Independent Character special rule, Inquisitorial Henchmen Warbands or Grand Master Mordrak's unit of Ghost Knights). These nominated units have one of the following roles for the duration of the game (they must all have the same role):

The bolded section could be takenby some as once they have one, they satisfy the conditions of the rule, and therefore further applications do not stack on the same unit even if it's a different selection from the rule.

Nonsense.

If I say that a unit of GKS has one of the following roles, and then say that they have another one of the following roles, they have both roles.

No i get that, but I thought the general thought on it now was that it does stack.


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Maelstrom808 wrote:While I tend to lean towards it stacking, it says the following:

Roll a D3 and choose that many infantry, jump infantry, monstrous creature or walker units in your army (but not models with the Independent Character special rule, Inquisitorial Henchmen Warbands or Grand Master Mordrak's unit of Ghost Knights). These nominated units have one of the following roles for the duration of the game (they must all have the same role):

The bolded section could be takenby some as once they have one, they satisfy the conditions of the rule, and therefore further applications do not stack on the same unit even if it's a different selection from the rule.

I think this is a bit of a stretch. I would think that it's saying it has "one of the following rules" for that specific grand master. Seeing as how the second grand master says the same thing "one of the following rules" then it too gives one of the rules. You wouldn't say that a unit that can "select one of the following weapons" can only have one unit of that type select the weapon and another unit of the same type be SOL would you?

I've seen people argue rules with less ground to stand on. Like I said, I think it probably stacks, but it is possible to twist it the other way.

omerakk wrote:That is another distinction though, grand strategy isn't being used on the targeted units, it is being used by the grand master, which then targets up to 3 units to receive an ability. If they tried to give the same ability to a unit, then they would fall under the hammerhand debate.

Speaking of that, I would direct everyone to this thread:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/120/363914.page

particularly, page 5, my statement, 4th from the bottom of the page.

I feel I made a very valid point there that was completely glossed over by everyone more interested in arguing with Dash

Heh, and no one but me felt the need to comment on it here. Very valid point dude.

Everyone else, thanks for indulging me. Seems the argument that Grand Strategy cannot "stack" is a pretty weak one.