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Hi all, just finished school and about to get into gaming again. Tournament in about a week, so here's a rough copy of my list, C&C appreciated.

HQ:

Librarain w/ JP

ELITES:

2 Sanguinary Preists w/ JPs

TROOPS:

4 Death Company w/ JPs
1 TH, 1 PW

10man Assault Squad
PF, 2 meltaguns

10man Assault Squad
PF, 2 meltaguns

FAST ATTACK:

Land Speeder w/ Typhoon Missiles

Land Speeder w/ Typhoon Missiles

HEAVY SUPPORT:

Predator
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5man Dev Squad
4 Missiles

Right at 1500, maybe over by 5 or 10. Thoughts ?

Im seeing a hybrid ish list.

What powers on the lib I take it shield and rage.

Dc with jp are costly and for a tourney can get run around like headless chickens not worth taking IMO.

For speeders I suggest HF and MM on them makes em 70 points each but they bring the hurt and usually get left alone till they kill something important.

Not a fan of normal preds.

I suggest taking baal preds or for heavy support vindicators since they are fast too and are more effective than normal preds.

Also drop the devs I would keep them only if you go all
DOA and no mech.

Things I like.

Assault squads Thats how i run em or give em th sometimes depends tho personal thing.

Lib He runs around kills stuff.

Priests they are what they are and the marines kill stuff.

Add another unit of marines instead of dc and change out the preds and the speeders and ya.

Thanks man. I used to run all infanty, with dev's as my support but they're a stationary unit so i was going to try the tanks, but they'll just draw to much fire....

What would you think if i drop all the armour (including land speeders) and replace with vanguard and a dev squad ?

Then drop the death company for another vanguard squad ? I don't think I have enough models for another assault squad, but I could take a small scout sniper squad for a objective holder.

I'd say you can lose one Priest. The two JP squads will probably run together most of the time so you can get overwhelming assaults, so you can keep them both in the 6" range.

Try it with one and see if you really need two.

Also, I agree on the speeders HF & MM is the way to go. Missiles just kind of hurt stuff. HF or MM will hurt something badly.

I would say add another assault squad take 3 dev squads with missiles. 2 vv should do they can be nasty but keep the priests around.

The thing about dev's, is in this tourni tables are already set up, and that puts my depolyment to question with dev's especially since they loose a turn or two of shooting when moving from position to position.

How about adding 2 attack bikes? they aren't armour so they fit with the all (fast) infantry list and the pack MMs.


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New List:

HQ:

Librarian w/ JP

ELITES:

Sanguinary priest w/ JP

TROOPS:

10man assault marines w/ PF + 2 Meltas

10man assault marines w/ PF + 2 Meltas

5 Scout Snipers w/ Cloaks

FAST:

5man Vanguard w/ JP, 1 PF

5man Vanguard w/ JP, 1 PF

2 Attack bikes w/ MMs

HEAVY:

5man Devastator Squad. w/ 4 MLs

5man Devestator Squad w/ 4 MLs

I don't like that I only have 1 priest... but what do you think?


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Librarian has Shield. Debating between Unleash rage and Blood Lance.

Drop scouts get another priest.
Another assault squad.
Drop the bikes they suck because they have no armor and in cc it dosnt matter how far they go.
Hmmmm
I would recommend
3 dev squads 4 ml each
lib shield rage.
2 priests
2 assault squads
1 or 2 vv.
That's just an idea but if you go with devs take 3 squads and rain 12 missiles a turn.

I dropped the bikes, put in 1 priest and I have a few extra points to knit out the VVs. Tried it out like this today, although I forgot to deploy my 2nd dev squad so i was under by 130 pts... but worked pretty good.

I don't like dropping the scouts because without them I'm forced to split up my assault squads in objective games.

If I did drop them I'd have to drop 40 more pts to fit in another dev squad... is 2 VVs to much?

My libby has rage and sheild.

I think you are a little stretched in the Troops department already. I don't think 2 VV squads are too many in the abstract, but I'd take only one if that meant I could take 3 Devastator squads, plus I do think a second Priest is pretty necessary here.

If you took only 1 VV squad, you could take 3 Dev squads and have enough to take a third (naked) Priest to run with your Devastators, plus add a Missile Launcher to the Scouts.

MrE that still would run pretty rough and why not take plasma when you have a priest with devs right.

The missiles on the devs are cheap and very effective vs most armour. Plasmas do what mass FC marines can do.

Here's another list lol:

HQ:

Librarian w/ JP [125]

Elites:

2x Sang Priests w/ JP [150]

TROOPS:

2 squads of 10man assault marines [470]
PF, 2 Melta guns

5 scouts w/ cloaks [90]

FAST ATTACK:

5 man VVs [205]
PW, PF, LC, JPs

5 man VVs [195]
PW, TH, JPs

HEAVY:

2 5man Devestator squads [260]
w/ 4missiles each

If I take more dev's I have to much non-moving infantry.

The VVs are equipped to be able to at least stun a tank if need be.

I was also debating between HQs, but not sure what to replace librarain with... if anything

Taking a 3rd priest would just be another kill point...

Go with 3 dev squads so fun and effective trust me maybe one less squad of vets and add a dev squad and an honor guard squad ( maybe drop scouts)

that would give you quite a punch

can i suggest adding melta bombs to the VV's? cheap option for tank popping when they deep strike.

Oh man I totally forgot about those yes 5 extra points maybe but there are pf so those will usually do more than a melta bomb
on top of that I keep a priest around everything when ever I can so str 9 maybe a good idea or a th 5 points more messes up vehicles pretty nicely

Good question: What is a very good all-comers BA army at the 1500 pt level?
I play a DoA army and I think its not the most competitive BA army out there.
On the other hand, Devastators are not the best bet for an army that is more geared towards assault or counterassault
and mech is the way to go these days.

I know what you mean i play a mixed list and Im sure its not the best but hey its fun and it wins me games and I enjoy the models so I think taht is what matters and devs are fun to mess around with.

I tried a 12 missile launcher list and it is fun 12 missiles do a lot to infantry and then the assault squads hit tanks with melta good times and all 3 dev squads got red thirst good times