Tyranid Hapries - Im a little Puzzled

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**GBDarkAngel**

I have some Tyranid Warriors that i have stuck wings on aand are going to use as Harpies.
The thing im struggling to get my head round is this (more so for the sake of avoiding arguments.)

Spore Mine Cysts - The part that says "Nominate a model the Harpy has moved over in the movement phase.

Now i am reading that is "The harpy is assumed to be circling over head constanly and once per game i just pick a unit and drop my bombs".

However as i might take up to 3 of these and the attack is D3 barrage i can see my opponents being a little annoyed possibly by my interpretation.

My question thus is "Do i physically need to move over a model in the movement phase to use this attack?

**Maelstrom808**

Yes, the "moved over" part is not fluff.

**GBDarkAngel**

Maelstrom808 wrote:Yes, the "moved over" part is not fluff.

We all can dream

I thought i was asking too much for that to be an imaginary "Moved Over" thanks for confirming.
Might need to try and get a bigger model than the warriors though seeing as they are Monsterous Creatures.

**Leigen_Zero**

I think the rules for skimmers and other things that generally don't use the ground states that you cannot end your move:
a) in impassible terrain
b) over other models

**nosferatu1001**

Only skimmers have that rule. THe harpy is not a skimmer.
To use the power you move OVER a unit in the movement phase. Easily doable.

**insaniak**

GBDarkAngel wrote:Might need to try and get a bigger model than the warriors though seeing as they are Monsterous Creatures.

Going by the description and picture in the codex, a Trygon would be a more fitting base for it.

**KingCracker**

Agreed there, a winged warrior is a shriek. A carnifex at least would be used, using something that small would fall under modeling for advantage

**Leigen_Zero**

nosferatu1001 wrote:Only skimmers have that rule. THe harpy is not a skimmer.
To use the power you move OVER a unit in the movement phase. Easily doable.

So do jump infantry, jetbikes and models with wings (move as jump infantry)

So the only precedent I'm guessing is that a monstrous creature with wings moves as jump infantry, thus cannot end a move on top of models.

**nosferatu1001**

They do not have the second part of your rule, that only applies to skimmers.

**ph34r**

KingCracker wrote:Agreed there, a winged warrior is a shriek. A carnifex at least would be used, using something that small would fall under modeling for advantage

Again, agreed.

**Dave_Nz**

KingCracker wrote:Agreed there, a winged warrior is a shriek. A carnifex at least would be used, using something that small would fall under modeling for advantage

For the good of the forums, dont start this again please.

**Kommissar Kel**

Page 52, brb, JI, Movement 5th sentence: "Jump infantry models may not end their move on top of other models or impassable terrain, except that they can end their move on top of impassable terrain if it is physically possible to place the models on top of it."

Page 53, brb, Jetbikes, first bullet point 3rd sentence: "Jetbikes may not end their move on top of other models or impassable terrain, except that they can end their move on top of impassable terrain if it is physically possible to place the models on top of it."

Nos your assertion that these rules do not exist for Jetbikes, Jump infantry or any model that moves as either is thoroughly refuted.

The rule for the Spore mine cysts does state that it will only hit models that are moved over, which means the Harpy must physically move over the models(much like bladevanes & Caltrops/Chain snares, excepting the harpy can move in an arc to do it, unlike bladevanes & Caltrops)

**nosferatu1001**

They can be placed on impassable terrain, and mdoels are impassable terrain, and WMS lets you always place models....

**DeathReaper**

nosferatu1001 wrote:They can be placed on impassable terrain, and mdoels are impassable terrain, and WMS lets you always place models....

They can be placed on Impassible terrain, but not on top of models. as P.52 explicitly forbids it.

"Jump infantry models may not end their move on top of other models " P.52

**nosferatu1001**

the "except that" then allows them to.

As models are also impassable terrain, allowing them to land on impassable terrain also allows thme to land on models.

**Leigen_Zero**

nosferatu1001 wrote:the "except that" then allows them to.

As models are also impassable terrain...

Please cite a reference for this ruling, also:

DeathReaper wrote:
"Jump infantry models may not end their move on top of other models " P.52

Since we are now specifically talking about models and NOT impassible terrain, we have a ruling they cannot end their move on top of other models (whether they are considered impassible terrain or not).

**insaniak**

nosferatu1001 wrote:As models are also impassable terrain, allowing them to land on impassable terrain also allows thme to land on models.

Nope. They are allowed to land on impassable terrain, but are forbidden from landing on one specific type of impassable terrain (other models). So the more specific rule takes precedence, and they can land on impassable terrain, except when that impassable terrain is made up of other models.

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Leigen_Zero wrote:Please cite a reference for this ruling,

Page 13, 'Terrain Types' - Guidelines on Categorising Terrain, third bullet point.

**Kommissar Kel**

WMS is for when you cannot physically place a model and keep it standing, the "except that" line in the rule states you must be able to physically place the models.

**nosferatu1001**

You can physically place the model; it just wont stay standing - but you can actually physically place them.

**insaniak**

Except you can't, because they're specifically forbidden from landing on other models.

**tetrisphreak**

I sense a circular logic argument here.

There isn't a single model in the game (that i can think of) that is allowed to end its move with its base resting on top of other models heads' (friendly or otherwise). And that's how i like it -- I don't want my paint job scratched because some loophole-looking-for cheesy player cross referenced 4 different rulebook pages, interpreted the english language in a funky archaic way, and says he can do something that clearly isn't within the spirit of the game.

**insaniak**

There is no circular logic here. There's a more general rule (may land on impassable terrain if possible) and a more specific rule (may not land on a specific type of impassable terrain [other models]).

The more specific rule wins. No conflict, no circular logic, no problems.