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Cause I wasn't having enough fun with the other thread I started I'll pose this question,
came up the other day at my local GW

If Throgg in a unit of trolls uses his copious vomit do the other trolls also have to vomit?

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Papasmurf

I...can't imagine why.

Just remember that Throgg has (1) his regular d6 vomit and (2) his 2d6 breath weapon vomit. And they stack (...though only the first d6 is magical vomit).

Wouldn't that be using the same weapon twice in one turn? Breath weapon or d6 vomits but not both, thats ridiculous

If One troll vomits then all have to, is throgg not a troll?

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Papasmurf

1st. One is a bereath weapon attack, the other is a regular vomiting attack so he can indeed use both... nasty.
2nd. He is a troll as per the mutant regeneration rule written in his profyle, so he is bound by the unit's choice weither to vomit or not (or they're bound by his w/e).

1) as noted above - they are different weapons, and can both be used on the same turn. You then get to stomp afterwards...

2) I thought characters, including champions, were explicitly allowed to use different weapons to the rest of the unit? Thus you declare the trolls as hitting normally, then have throgg use his "im a character" ability to use something else.

Althgouh most of the time vomit is the way to go.

nosferatu1001 wrote:2) I thought characters, including champions, were explicitly allowed to use different weapons to the rest of the unit? Thus you declare the trolls as hitting normally, then have throgg use his "im a character" ability to use something else.

The OP of this thread would love to have proof of that.

Don't have my rule book with me, can other creatures with breath weapons use them in combat and still attack regularly?

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Papasmurf

PapaSmurf wrote:Don't have my rule book with me, can other creatures with breath weapons use them in combat and still attack regularly?

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Papasmurf

Yes, you use your breath weapon at initiative order.

So dragons can charge, do their attacks, breath weapon, and thunderstomp... Its pretty nasty.

WOW, missed that maybe I should look at a dragon

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Papasmurf

A dragon with pha's protection on is quite the survivable unit shredder.

Does Throgg's 1/game breath have a qualifier "when not in combat?" I know some of the older breath effects do save when not in combat and may not have been FAQ'd otherwise.

-Matt

No no qualifier regarding when not in combat but it does say that instead of making normal attacks he can do d6 hits OR use it as a breath weapon once per game, would that not preclude him using it as a breath weapon and special d6 in the same turn as is in effect using the same weapon twice?

breath weapon and normal attacks or d6 vomits but not both

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Papasmurf

There is no or.
Copious vomit the rule gives Throgg d6 S5 magical autohits that he can use instead of attacking normally, in addittion (the army book uses the word furthermore) it grants him an S5 breath weapon that is one use only (pointless this eddition).

He can do the D6 vomit AND the 2d6 vomit in the same round of combat if he wants to.

Yes I read and understood that
My question is is he not using the same ability twice in one turn? He is using the copious vomit as a breath weapon how can he simultaneously use it to deal d6 hits?
If it was not derived from the exact same ability I would have no arguments but it is the same ability, unlike other breath weapons

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Papasmurf

Nope the vomit is a completely separate attack, and the other one is classified as a breath weapon...

Its is perfectly legal to use your normal attacks (aka vomit) and use the breath weapon in the same turn.

they are not as classified in the army book different attacks it says he may do d6 S5 attacks instead of his normal attacks and may use it as a breath weapon once per game, how can they be different attacks when both coming from the same special rule?

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Papasmurf

The rules in the BRB state that a model may use its breath weapon once per game, at initiative order, in addition to its other attacks.

Throgg uses his first D6 instead of his normal attacks, then at initiative uses his breath weapon for 2d6 attacks.

The rule you are referring to simple means he uses the same stats for his breath weapon, Str5 no armor...

okay I can see that if the breath weapon was granted from a rule different than copious vomit, but it is not

perhaps it is simply the way I am reading and interpreting it - throgg has copious vomit allowing him to do d6 s5 hits rather than attack and once per game he can use it as a breath weapon, my interpretation then is that he can either breath weapon copious vomit or do d6 hits copious vomits as the attacks are generated from the same special rule

would not be a question if the breath weapon came from another ability but it is the same ability as the d6 hits

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Papasmurf

It isnt a question.

The same rule grants TWO types of attack: breath weapon and D6 special hits.
Just because its the same rule, you still have two different attacks that, in 8th, can both be used in combat

that just doesn't make any sense to me it doesn't seem like two different attacks - it seems like two methods of using the same attack
the text says he can use his VOMIT as a breath weapon, how can he use his vomit as a breath weapon AND use it regularly to make d6 hits?


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Papasmurf

Because fluff isnt rules?

His special rule gives you two types of special attack. Neither attack replaces or supercedes the other, and in 8th you can use both in CC

So you can.

In game terms, he doesn't "vomit like a breath weapon", he has a breath weapon.
Technically, I suppose there's room for interpretation of wording, and I don't have the quote, but I'm basically sure that it doesn't go along the lines of "he can do this, or he can do this", but instead "he does this, and he also does this".

So think of it this way: Copious Vomit. Means he gets d6 hits instead of one. Once in a while, he can vomit even more copiously than that.

You want something tough? Just take it and be happy!

guess again I am looking for clarity from a company that doesn't know the meaning of the word

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Papasmurf

Maybe he pukes all over you (Vomit), and then burps (Breath Weapon)

hehehe good one!

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Papasmurf

As written it seems like he should do both. But it also seems kinda weird. Though since it's only going to happen once, I don't think it's THAT massive.

This is meant as a fun post.

Model Trogg with 2 head , problem solved :'P

somewhat fun yeah, will probably still argue when someone tries it on me though

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Papasmurf

Good luck with that. You'll need it.