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Hell, i don't care if he raps or not. once again Fox opens it's mouth and Stewart slams it shut again.
this is the only clip i could find at the momment. there was some more before the clip i linked.
if you fine folks get a chance check out the whole segment.

http://www.newser.com/story/118393/jon-stewart-slams-fox-hypocrisy-as-rapper-common-visits-white-house.html

Although I do think that sometimes go a little crazy over stuff like this, like Palin's "reload" comments, I do think it is hypocritical for Fox to support one and go against another.

Sad sad sad.....

Manstein wrote:Although I do think that sometimes go a little crazy over stuff like this, like Palin's "reload" comments, I do think it is hypocritical for Fox to support one and go against another.

Sad sad sad.....

Fair and balanced = being able to speak out of you mouth and arse at the same time.

alarmingrick wrote:

Manstein wrote:Although I do think that sometimes go a little crazy over stuff like this, like Palin's "reload" comments, I do think it is hypocritical for Fox to support one and go against another.

Sad sad sad.....

Fair and balanced = being able to speak out of you mouth and arse at the same time.

No argument here, Fox News is pretty far from being fair and balanced. Not that the other stations are really any good either, just not as bad as Fox has shown itself to be.

alarmingrick wrote:
Fair and balanced = being able to speak out of you mouth and arse at the same time.

I thought his rap was humorous at least

Fox News is a joke.

I (almost) feel guilty for laughing at fox news these days, it's starting to feel a bit too much like laughing at a particularly stupid child.

Manstein wrote:No argument here, Fox News is pretty far from being fair and balanced. Not that the other stations are really any good either, just not as bad as Fox has shown itself to be.

Yeah, that, exactly that.

FOX is terrible, absolutely 100% full of dishonest bs. The other cable news channels are bad, but they're not as bad as FOX.

One problem that comes from this is when some people use the terribleness of FOX to think the other cable channels are okay (in the same way that you having your leg bitten off by a shark makes my broken leg seem not quite as serious... except that broken leg is still an unacceptable situation that needs to be fixed).

The other problem comes when people note the failings of the other stations, and attempt to use that dismiss the problems with FOX (okay so maybe my leg is gone but you can't walk on your leg either!)

In other news: Oh Noes He's Brown.

I guess he didn't bring up how the rapper did a poem with lines praising a cop killer.

Frazzled wrote:I guess he didn't bring up how the rapper did a poem with lines praising a cop killer.

Actually, Stewart did. Then he went on to read the rest of the poem & describe how the poem ends in a plea to stop violence such as cop killing.

RanTheCid wrote:

Frazzled wrote:I guess he didn't bring up how the rapper did a poem with lines praising a cop killer.

Actually, Stewart did. Then he went on to read the rest of the poem & describe how the poem ends in a plea to stop violence such as cop killing.

Well then there you go.

Frazzled wrote:

RanTheCid wrote:

Frazzled wrote:I guess he didn't bring up how the rapper did a poem with lines praising a cop killer.

Actually, Stewart did. Then he went on to read the rest of the poem & describe how the poem ends in a plea to stop violence such as cop killing.

Well then there you go.

Actually, he only brought it up tangentially, and didn't read the rest of the poem.

The poem/rap is an apology for a convicted cop killer. But apparently this is totally OK, because Johnny Cash once said something bad too.

A convicted killer could stand to apologize, no?

Condemning one poet or musician who writes and performs words of violence, mysogyny and murder while praising and excusing another is pure hypocrisy.

biccat wrote:

Frazzled wrote:

RanTheCid wrote:

Frazzled wrote:I guess he didn't bring up how the rapper did a poem with lines praising a cop killer.

Actually, Stewart did. Then he went on to read the rest of the poem & describe how the poem ends in a plea to stop violence such as cop killing.

Well then there you go.

Actually, he only brought it up tangentially, and didn't read the rest of the poem.

The poem/rap is an apology for a convicted cop killer. But apparently this is totally OK, because Johnny Cash once said something bad too.

And again, you missed the point.

The reason Stewart was going after Fox is because they're 'condemning' Common for what he wrote, yet they're wishing Ice-T(a far far more offensive rapper who was part of the 'rise of gangsta rap' and whose twitter feed is constantly full of statements about how important it is to 'f**k the police') a happy birthday. And that they aired coverage of Johnny Cash, who was known for having tried to bribe a Sheriff's deputy, starting a forest fire killing 49/53 endangered condors, and a multitude of other things that should have gotten him arrested but didn't, being given a medal by George Bush Jr.

Yay hypocrisy!

Mannahnin wrote:
Condemning one poet or musician who writes and performs words of violence, mysogyny and murder while praising and excusing another is pure hypocrisy.

pure hypocrisy

I don't even think people that watch cable news know what this means or that it exists.

Kanluwen wrote:And again, you missed the point.

The reason Stewart was going after Fox is because they're 'condemning' Common for what he wrote, yet they're wishing Ice-T(a far far more offensive rapper who was part of the 'rise of gangsta rap' and whose twitter feed is constantly full of statements about how important it is to 'f**k the police') a happy birthday. And that they aired coverage of Johnny Cash, who was known for having tried to bribe a Sheriff's deputy, starting a forest fire killing 49/53 endangered condors, and a multitude of other things that should have gotten him arrested but didn't, being given a medal by George Bush Jr.

Yay hypocrisy!

Can you possibly spot the difference between the following:
Bribing a sheriff's deputy, starting a Forest Fire, and killing a few ing birds; and
Praising someone who wounded a police officer and, once he was lying on the street bleeding, removed his sidearm and fired two bullets into the officer's skull at close range.

Can you also spot the difference between:
Wishing someone "happy birthday"; and
Inviting someone to the White House.

Do these even register as different levels from a moral and ethical standpoint? Or do you think that killing a cop is morally equivallent to killing a vulture?

Was the murder praised? Or was the murderer's attempt to reform himself praised?

Mannahnin wrote:Was the murder praised? Or was the murderer's attempt to reform himself praised?

Lyrics here note: this one didn't blow up my browser, but lyrics sites are notorious for doing so. Search "common assata lyrics" on google.

Short background biography:
Chick was riding in a car with some black panthers (black liberation army maybe?).
Get stopped by cops who find a gun in the car.
Someone shoots the cop, somehow get the cop's gun out and shoot him in the head, some passenger gets shot.
"Assanta" was shot in the arm.
BP/BLA drive away, are eventually stopped.
She is arrested, indicted, and eventually convicted.
Escapes prison when BLA "visitors" smuggle guns into the prison and shoot at the guards.
Runs away to Cuba.

Kanluwen wrote: And that they aired coverage of Johnny Cash, who was known for having tried to bribe a Sheriff's deputy, starting a forest fire killing 49/53 endangered condors, and a multitude of other things that should have gotten him arrested but didn't, being given a medal by George Bush Jr.

To be fair, no one gives a gak about condors.

biccat wrote: Can you also spot the difference between:
Wishing someone "happy birthday"; and
Inviting someone to the White House.

Can you? Dub gave Johnny Cash a freakin' medal. Common was just invited to the
White House.

You make it sound like Common pulled the trigger himself.

Do these even register as different levels from a moral and ethical standpoint? Or do you think that killing a cop is morally equivallent to killing a vulture?

I am comfortable making the assertion that all of those things, including killing the vulture are more morally objectionable than singing about someone who killed someone else.

Chongara wrote:

Do these even register as different levels from a moral and ethical standpoint? Or do you think that killing a cop is morally equivallent to killing a vulture?

I am comfortable making the assertion that all of those things, including killing the vulture are more morally objectionable than singing about someone who killed someone else.

Me too.

Chongara wrote:

Do these even register as different levels from a moral and ethical standpoint? Or do you think that killing a cop is morally equivallent to killing a vulture?

I am comfortable making the assertion that all of those things, including killing the vulture are more morally objectionable than singing about someone who killed someone else.

Just to be clear then: You would have no problem with a president inviting a white supremicist or a slavery apologist (singing/writing about killing/oppressing someone else) to the White House over Johnny Cash.

I'm just trying to get an idea of your position.

biccat wrote:

Chongara wrote:

Do these even register as different levels from a moral and ethical standpoint? Or do you think that killing a cop is morally equivallent to killing a vulture?

I am comfortable making the assertion that all of those things, including killing the vulture are more morally objectionable than singing about someone who killed someone else.

Just to be clear then: You would have no problem with a president inviting a white supremicist or a slavery apologist (singing/writing about killing/oppressing someone else) to the White House over Johnny Cash.

I'm just trying to get an idea of your position.

I would have an issue with it. Then again, I probably wouldn't invite Johnny Cash to the white house either. Still doesn't change the fact that setting birds on fire is still a bigger deal than just creating some (allegedly) unsavory art.

biccat wrote:
Praising someone who wounded a police officer and, once he was lying on the street bleeding, removed his sidearm and fired two bullets into the officer's skull at close range.

According to police testimony, Assata Shakur didn't do that, Sundiata Acoli did.

dogma wrote:According to police testimony, Assata Shakur didn't do that, Sundiata Acoli did.

Obviously someone isn't aware of the concept of an "accomplice."

Also, I looked up the Johnny Cash issue...his truck overheated causing the fire. So not only is the comparison inapt, it's also deceitful. But not unexpected.

Typeline wrote:

Kanluwen wrote: And that they aired coverage of Johnny Cash, who was known for having tried to bribe a Sheriff's deputy, starting a forest fire killing 49/53 endangered condors, and a multitude of other things that should have gotten him arrested but didn't, being given a medal by George Bush Jr.

To be fair, no one gives a gak about condors.

Not even condors. They are dying off because they don't breed enough.


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alarmingrick wrote:

Chongara wrote:

Do these even register as different levels from a moral and ethical standpoint? Or do you think that killing a cop is morally equivallent to killing a vulture?

I am comfortable making the assertion that all of those things, including killing the vulture are more morally objectionable than singing about someone who killed someone else.

Me too.

That explains a whole lot.


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biccat wrote:

Chongara wrote:

Do these even register as different levels from a moral and ethical standpoint? Or do you think that killing a cop is morally equivallent to killing a vulture?

I am comfortable making the assertion that all of those things, including killing the vulture are more morally objectionable than singing about someone who killed someone else.

Just to be clear then: You would have no problem with a president inviting a white supremicist or a slavery apologist (singing/writing about killing/oppressing someone else) to the White House over Johnny Cash.

I'm just trying to get an idea of your position.

Some people just don't like classical music.

biccat wrote:
Obviously someone isn't aware of the concept of an "accomplice."

You didn't mention legal culpability in your comment, you spoke of actual actions, these are very different things. An accomplice to a murder is not a murderer even though he will be tried as one.

In general you seem to conflate matters of law with matters of fact, you should work on that.

Technically jon doesn't always write out exactly what he reads, so the rap could have been an idea and they just went with it.

Anyway, *Joins the fox news hate*

FUN FACT!!!!!
News channels are always with BS so ill just say this.
Pick your poison they all tell a lie or two.

also can we get a admin to possibley lock this thread its off to a bad place I can smell it.