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This is a simple question but I could not find an answer.

Lets say my SM captian has a bolt pistol and a force sword and is in assault. he gets +1 attack for having two CC weapons right?
Now are the attacks from the sword and the +1 CC both treated as power weapons? or no?


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Additionally, what if the captian gets +1 for the charge in. Is that a force hit too?

A force weapon is a power weapon.

You get +1 for additional cc weapon, +1 charging, and the attacks all count as power weapon hits. The only weapons that don't get the additional attack unless with another of their kind are listed in a sidebar in the close combat section (powerfists, Thunderhammers etc)

For a force weapon to work you need to wound your target, and have them fail their save (if thay have invulnerables) against it.

Then you make a psychic test (unless you have some kind of groovy ability that allows you to do it automatically) and if successful they drop dead (unless they have eternal warrior or similar protective abilites). It counts as using a psychic power to do it, and you can only do it once per forceweapon per round as far as i'm aware.

It's on page 42 in the rulebook. All attacks are made with the special weapon.

There's special situations where a model might get to make several different types of attacks but those are always mentioned in the model or wargear entry that cause it.

Quick and easy, thanks friend.

nivondu wrote:Lets say my SM captian has a bolt pistol and a force sword and is in assault.

Why would a Captain have a force sword?

It was a theoretical question. to see if all the attacks would be treated as power weapon attacks. Answer - Yes.

Thanks all.

nivondu wrote:
Lets say my SM captian has a bolt pistol and a force sword and is in assault.

Why would a Captain have a force sword?

The real question is how do I get my captain a force sword

nivondu wrote:It was a theoretical question. to see if all the attacks would be treated as power weapon attacks. Answer - Yes.

Wouldn't you have got the same result by asking about a captain with a power sword, which is actually possible?

LOL yeah probably. but i wasn't really focusing.

Had a guy in my last tournament actually try to argue that the bonus attack was not a power weapon. Normally a small issue, but this guy I felt was just trying to cheat, and pull a fast one. He had been playing since 4th, and made it to Chicago for 'Ard Boys finals the year before.

Anubis_513 wrote:

nivondu wrote:
Lets say my SM captian has a bolt pistol and a force sword and is in assault.

Why would a Captain have a force sword?

The real question is how do I get my captain a force sword

mug a librarian?

Beat up a Grey Knight for what he did to his sister

jbunny wrote:Had a guy in my last tournament actually try to argue that the bonus attack was not a power weapon. Normally a small issue, but this guy I felt was just trying to cheat, and pull a fast one. He had been playing since 4th, and made it to Chicago for 'Ard Boys finals the year before.

Sounds like an attempted cheat to me. The bonus attack worked exactly the same (being a power weapon attack too) in 4th edition and 3rd edition as well.

Heh, once upon a time (3rd or 4th ed), the local GW staff tried to tell everyon that only the hits against models in btb were treated as power weapon hits, any hits put onto the 'rock throwers' farther back were just regular hits. Took me a while to disabuse them and everyone they misinformed of that train of thought.

Mannahnin wrote:

jbunny wrote:Had a guy in my last tournament actually try to argue that the bonus attack was not a power weapon. Normally a small issue, but this guy I felt was just trying to cheat, and pull a fast one. He had been playing since 4th, and made it to Chicago for 'Ard Boys finals the year before.

Sounds like an attempted cheat to me. The bonus attack worked exactly the same (being a power weapon attack too) in 4th edition and 3rd edition as well.

Yeah, I know. I have been playing since 3rd, and it has never changed.

It's always been that way in 40K, but I have come across the 'splitting attacks between weapons' interpretation on several occasions over the years... usually it's a Fantasy player, who's just a bit mixed up over the similar but different rules between the two games.

Although I have no idea if WHFB still uses that rule...

insaniak wrote:It's always been that way in 40K, but I have come across the 'splitting attacks between weapons' interpretation on several occasions over the years... usually it's a Fantasy player, who's just a bit mixed up over the similar but different rules between the two games.

Although I have no idea if WHFB still uses that rule...

Ummmm, in 2nd ed 40K you did indeed split hits between weapons if armed with two different weapons. So if you scored three hits, you would declare two with the power sword (which had it's own ST value instead of using wielders strength) and declare one with the pistol. Download and read the Necromunda rules, 2nd ed is where their combat system came from. So it's actually possible that somereally old fart (like me) is having a flashback.

don_mondo wrote:Ummmm, in 2nd ed 40K you did indeed split hits between weapons if armed with two different weapons.

No, sorry, you didn't.

It was a fairly common misapprehension, along with needing LOS to charge, or needing to declare all of your shooting at the start of the phase (both of which I believe also came from the WHFB rules that were current at that point in time) but if it was ever a part of the 40K rules it would only have been in Rogue Trader (Didn't play RT, so can't say for sure).

Download and read the Necromunda rules, 2nd ed is where their combat system came from.

Necromunda was based on 40K, but worked a little differently. In 2nd Ed 40K, hits were resolved using either the Strength of the model, or the Strength of his weapon, whichever was higher. Models with two weapons had the option of hitting with both, but it wasn't required and there was generally no point in doing so.

In Necromunda, hits were indeed split between the weapons, alternating between the two hands.

insaniak wrote:

don_mondo wrote:Ummmm, in 2nd ed 40K you did indeed split hits between weapons if armed with two different weapons.

No, sorry, you didn't.

Well, maybe I'm misremembering then. Not worth digging the box out of the attic to find to old rulebooks.

don_mondo wrote:Well, maybe I'm misremembering then. Not worth digging the box out of the attic to find to old rulebooks.

For what it's worth, I have the old books sitting right here on the shelf beside the computer, along with the current books. this:

insaniak wrote:In 2nd Ed 40K, hits were resolved using either the Strength of the model, or the Strength of his weapon, whichever was higher. Models with two weapons had the option of hitting with both, but it wasn't required and there was generally no point in doing so.

In Necromunda, hits were indeed split between the weapons, alternating between the two hands.

...came from grabbing them and checking. It's long enough ago that I wasn't about to contradict anyone just from memory

Cool beans.

Along similar lines...

Say, I have a Chaplian with Crozius and a Plasma Pistol.... The way I read it, no extra attack (2 special weapons) but how do you deal with the attacks themselves.... all PW (S-4, no armor save), All Plas (S-7, Ap-2, gets hot), or split them?

A plasma pistol is not a Special CCW. Pistols in close combat just function as regular CCWs. So he would get the extra attack, and all attacks would be made with the Crozius.

As we just covered, you never split your attacks in 40K. All attacks are made with a single weapon. All the second weapon does is provide the bonus die where applicable.

helgrenze wrote:Along similar lines...

Say, I have a Chaplian with Crozius and a Plasma Pistol.... The way I read it, no extra attack (2 special weapons) but how do you deal with the attacks themselves.... all PW (S-4, no armor save), All Plas (S-7, Ap-2, gets hot), or split them?

A plasma pistol is still a pistol, so with the crozius, which counts as a power weapon, the chaplin gets +1 attack.

Keep in mind in melee you follow the rules for melee attacks, you can't use the plasma gun in melee to shoot in melee, it just adds another attack to the models attack line thanks to having 2 CCW. I know it sounds stupid but you don't shoot the pistol in melee in game terms.

Think of it this way, you're able to smack the heretic upside the head more often when he has to keep looking over to make sure you aren't about to shoot him in the head. You never actually shoot him, but the threat that you might makes it easier to maul him with your PW.