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Made in ca
Death-Dealing Devastator





Edmonton, Canada

Archon-145
Huskblade, Soul-Trap, Combat Drugs and Shadowfield

Kabalite Trueborn x9-173
Shredder, Blaster, Splinter Cannon x2 and Dracon with Ghostplate Armour and PW

Raider-70
Splinter Racks and Disintegrator Cannon

Kabalite Warriors x10-195
Dark Lance, Shredder and Sybarite with Ghostplate Armour and Agoniser

Raider-75
Dark Lance, Splinter Racks and Enhanced Aethersails

Kabalite Warriors x10-135
Splinter Cannon, Blaster and Sybarite with PW

Kabalite Warriors x10-140
Dark Lance, Shredder and Sybarite with PW

Scourges x5-152
Heat Lance, Splinter Cannon and Solarite with PW

Razorwing-165
Splinter Cannon and Necrotoxin Missiles x4

Any C&C would be welcome

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2011/05/15 15:29:46


   
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Death-Dealing Devastator





Edmonton, Canada

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Thor665 wrote:Let me also take a moment for a personal rant: If new DE generals are going to keep insisting to treat 'Dedicated Transports' as though it's an actual Force Org slot - the least they can do is specifically note which units are taking the transports as opposed to expecting people to guess. Also - Dedicated transports are an upgrade to a unit and should be listed as such.

I might need to sig that soon, it's starting to get to me.




Blood Angel 17 wrote:Archon-145
Huskblade, Soul-Trap, Combat Drugs and Shadowfield

No issues here.

Kabalite Trueborn x9-173
Shredder, Blaster, Splinter Cannon x2 and Dracon with Ghostplate Armour and PW

I think you're falling into the usual pratfall that is the Trueborn, and that is trying to make them too focused on too many things, which leaves them kinda 'meh' overall. This feels like you've been building lists for Space Marines and think the same methods hold true for DE.
You have them built to be a shooty unit, but are burning a lot of points on that Dracon to make him an assault tool - and obviously this is where your Lord is going, and he's most assuredly an assault tool. If you want an assault element you can get one that is infinitely superior and costs less by using Wyches. If you want them to be shooting than you don't need the Dracon. If you really want them to be a mix, consider it for a while, and then realize you'll be better off just buying a different unit.

Raider-70
Splinter Racks and Disintegrator Cannon

At the very least drop the splinter racks, as they don't help Splinter Cannons and only help your rifles and pistols as long as you're embarked. I see little advantage to not leaving the lance on the Raider.

Kabalite Warriors x10-195
Dark Lance, Shredder and Sybarite with Ghostplate Armour and Agoniser

Raider-75
Dark Lance, Splinter Racks and Enhanced Aethersails

Enhanced Aethersails belong with assault unit Raiders if they belong anywhere. They do not belong here.
You've also put a lance (which is both a heavy weapon and an anti-tank weapon) in a unit you seem to desire to assault with...I really think this unit is just asking for trouble. It's like making Assault Tac Squads. Yeah, they can do it, but the Marine Codex has Assault Termies and Assault Marines for a reason. Let Warriors do what they're best at - shoot stuff. I used to run assault Warriors back in the day, but that was when Wyches weren't a Troop choice. Now you have no reason to do this. Also, quiet frankly, if you do want to go assault you should go with an S.Cannon, not a Lance.

Kabalite Warriors x10-135
Splinter Cannon, Blaster and Sybarite with PW

Kabalite Warriors x10-140
Dark Lance, Shredder and Sybarite with PW

So these guys are footslogging?
Meh. Again, you have a squad built for assault with a Lance, which is just silly. The first squad is actually a pretty decent build for footslogging Warriors, I'd do that with both of them. Frankly, I think a PW is a mistake, go Venom blade or go Agoniser, a PW with Str 3 Sybarites is just asking for disappointment.

Scourges x5-152
Heat Lance, Splinter Cannon and Solarite with PW

Do you not have Raiders or Ravagers? These guys are being stupid expensive and fragile for what they're bringing you. Frankly I'd drop them entirely, if you really want them I'd field them with 2x Heat Lance or Haywire Blaster to at least help your questionable anti-tank capability. Haywire blasters are boss because they can help versus infantry pretty well too.

Razorwing-165
Splinter Cannon and Necrotoxin Missiles x4

Okay with this, though you could easily shave the points to field 2x Ravagers which would be better for you overall. Your list is definitely slanted heavily towards killing infantry and is weak when it comes to killing armor.

Hope that helps.

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2011/05/18 23:09:50


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Made in ca
Death-Dealing Devastator





Edmonton, Canada

Thanks for the advice Thor665

I have changed it to this:

Archon-145
Huskblade, Soul-Trap, Combat Drugs and Shadowfield

Kabalite Trueborn x9-173
Shredder, Blaster, Splinter Cannon x2 and Dracon with Ghostplate Armour and PW

Raider-70
Dark Lance and Flicker Field

Kabalite Warriors x10-195
Dark Lance, Shredder and Sybarite with Ghostplate Armour and Agoniser

Raider-70
Dark Lance and Flickerfield

Kabalite Warriors x10-135
Splinter Cannon, Blaster and Sybarite with PW

Kabalite Warriors x10-135
Splinter Cannon, Blaster and Sybarite with Agoniser

Scourges x5-152
Heat Lance, Haywire Blaster and Solarite with PW

Razorwing-175
Splinter Cannon, Flickerfield and Necrotoxin Missiles x4

This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2011/05/19 03:39:44


   
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Death-Dealing Devastator





Edmonton, Canada

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My advice? Don't footslog anyone. Raiders are ridiculous for mobility and function, plus you get free dark lances on each one. Definitely take 2-3 ravagers, the only reason not to take three would be to take your razorwing in one of the heavy support slots. Drop a squad of kabalite warriors for the points.

Also, make sure to think very carefully about what you want each unit to do. For example, a solarite is usually a waste of points. He's not bad per se, just, think about what you want the scourges to do. If you run them with haywire blasters you want them sneaking around pinging vehicles, and they'll probably never be in close combat. Most scourge builds want to fly around at range and shoot. Adding an assault character to the squad really does not do anything.

You should take at least one unit of wytches, probably ten strong and in a raider, this should be the one with arethersails. Flickerfeilds are great, 30% more vehicle for 10 pts. All in all, each unit needs to be built to a very specific purpose and you should think long and hard about the role of each unit in your army.

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2011/05/19 15:46:05


 
   
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I have changed it to this:

Archon-145
Huskblade, Soul-Trap, Combat Drugs and Shadowfield


I have found the Huskblade/Soultrap to be underwhelming. I think Archon's in general are a bit of a paper tiger. I'd run an Agonzier, Shadowfield, and Drugs to save some points.

Kabalite Trueborn x9-173
Shredder, Blaster, Splinter Cannon x2 and Dracon with Ghostplate Armour and PW


They are just not that good at assault to justify this unit. Take Wyches or maybe Incubi to help the Archon. Warriors will die and you will end up falling back.

Raider-70
Dark Lance and Flicker Field


Perfect.

Kabalite Warriors x10-195
Dark Lance, Shredder and Sybarite with Ghostplate Armour and Agoniser


Why so bloated? What does this unit hope to do? Shredders are awful. The Dark Lance can't move and fire (even from a vehicle) and you want to always be moving. Ghostplate armor is a waste. The Agonizer is as well because Warriors are horrid in CC.

Kabalite Warriors x10-135
Splinter Cannon, Blaster and Sybarite with PW

Kabalite Warriors x10-135
Splinter Cannon, Blaster and Sybarite with Agoniser


Footslogging...eww. These units are sadly more CC oriented than the Dark Lance one which has a Raider. Makes no sense.

Scourges x5-152
Heat Lance, Haywire Blaster and Solarite with PW


Don't mix weapons. Take either 2 Heat or Haywire. Drop the Solitare completely.

Razorwing-175
Splinter Cannon, Flickerfield and Necrotoxin Missiles x4


Why so many upgrades? Take Flickerfield and that's it. The normal missiles are fine. No need for cannon either.

Overall, I don't like this list. Let me say this: Warriors are not good in close combat. Let me say it again: Warriors are not good in close combat. Scourges are either for that matter. DE Warriors work best in units of 5 with just a blaster in a Venom with 2 Splinter Cannons. That's it. No Syrabite, no armor, no lances, shredders, cannons ect. No need. They are a shooting unit that isn't that great at shooting. I could maybe, maybe see a unit of 20 with 2 Dark Lances sitting in cover if you are dead set on that. For close combat you have far superior units. Wyches are better. If you don't like the models, why not get pistol and CCW arms for the Warriors and run them as "count as" Wyches?

Also, you need at least 2 Ravagers. DE anti tank looks good on paper but you will struggle with what you have. You will probably still have issues with 2 Raiders and 2 Ravagers in a competitive environment at this point level. I'd consider 3.

Try:

Archon-Agonizer, Shadowfield, Drugs-120

Wyches-9 Wyches, 1 Helatrix with Agonizer, Haywire Gernades- 138
Raider with ff and dl- 70

Warriors-5 with blaster
Venom with ff and 2x cannons-125

Warriors-5 with blaster
Venom with ff and 2x cannons- 125 total

Warriors-5 with blaster
Venom with ff and 2x cannons- 125 total

3X Ravagers with flickerfield and 3 dark lances- 345 total

Scourges with 2x Heat Lances-134 (I think)

That puts you at 1182. You could add or drop as needed but it's a much better list.




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Made in ca
Death-Dealing Devastator





Edmonton, Canada

So I have changed it to this.

I changed the Archon to Duke Sliscus and one of the Warrior squads to a wyches squad.


Duke Sliscus-150

Kabalite Trueborn x9-163
Shredder, Blaster, Splinter Cannon x2 and Dracon with Agoniser

Raider-60
Dark Lance

Wyches-150
Haywire Grenades, Razorflails, Shardnet and Impaler and Hekatrix with Agoniser

Raider-60
Dark Lance

Kabalite Warriors x10-185
Dark Lance, Shredder and Sybarite with Agoniser, Blast Pistol and Phantasm Grenade Launcher

Kabalite Warriors x10-135
Splinter Cannon, Blaster and Sybarite with PW

Scourges x5-152
Heat Lance, Haywire Blaster and Solarite with Power Weapon

Razorwing-165
Flickerfield and Necrotoxin Missiles x4

This message was edited 4 times. Last update was at 2011/05/23 16:37:15


   
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Deadly Dark Eldar Warrior





Winnipeg, Canada

Nice list, however consider switching the sylbrite on the Dark lance squad with the one in the SC squad, agonizers are more productive on units you plan to be aggressive with .Also depending on what your facing, a venom blade is much more useful than a power weapon. It will cause more wounds, and more failed saves.
If you wish to troll around with your trueborn, consider giving them shard carbines instead of blasters and shredders. 27 ballist skill 4 shots, wounding on a 3+ will make almost anything very very afraid.

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2011/05/20 03:42:43


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