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I mean, on one hand, it looks cool, otoh, i'd have rather seen the Troop slot fully filled with the missing assault and jumppack infantry.
NVM weapons sprue for combi weapons and terminator weapons.


Alas a cerberus we get instead.

Definitely getting a Cerberus or two. Just a shame ruleswise the Lascannons are pretty much a compulsory upgrade. Otherwise a single Weapon Destroyed and you’ve paid a lot of points for a mobile brick, as none of the other weapons creep over into Main Weapon.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Definitely getting a Cerberus or two. Just a shame ruleswise the Lascannons are pretty much a compulsory upgrade. Otherwise a single Weapon Destroyed and you’ve paid a lot of points for a mobile brick, as none of the other weapons creep over into Main Weapon.

I guess you could also run a bunch of techmarines no? I feel like that would be pretty necessary at this stage.. also that reminds me that i maybee also should get myself a bunch of techmarines...

RazorEdge wrote:
Yawn... Zzzzzzzzz....

Pretty much. It's the exact same tank we already have, except with more pieces and gaps to fill because plastic can't handle undercuts. What a waste of a preview and a release slot.

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Definitely getting a Cerberus or two. Just a shame ruleswise the Lascannons are pretty much a compulsory upgrade. Otherwise a single Weapon Destroyed and you’ve paid a lot of points for a mobile brick, as none of the other weapons creep over into Main Weapon.

I guess you could also run a bunch of techmarines no? I feel like that would be pretty necessary at this stage.. also that reminds me that i maybee also should get myself a bunch of techmarines...

I mean, you could I guess. But then the Techmarine will need a shielding squad of some kind. Or I can just cough up the pretty measly 10 points for the Lascannons. Same for the Typhon, as again you don’t want a single spunky Lascannon shot removing the reason you sunk points into the tank in the first place.

It's better looking than a Typhon, but still not compelling enough for me. I'll blow that cash into the resin beak upgrades instead

Oh my god, another tank, one we already knew was coming. Amazing.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Oh my god, another tank, one we already knew was coming. Amazing.

They should have shown off the Deimos Vindicator instead!

Another land raider!

I'm sure we'll get a teaser of some new infantry actually a Deredeo at AdeptiCon

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I'm sure we'll get a teaser of some new infantry actually a Deredeo at AdeptiCon

honestly, i think deredos would be neat for a lot of people atleast more neat than yet another tank.

But at this stage i'd prefer GW throwing out the combiweapons/kraken bolter sprue kit and the terminator weapons kit and jumppacks / breacher shields spure before another vehicle.

I think it's sorta amazing anyone is surprised that GWs immediate releases for the heresy are the easiest things for them to tool up. This kit coming out isn't by any means necessarily at the expense of assault marines or despoilers either (another bit of weird logic floating around many forums).

I'd also say the complaints about the game being tank heavy are a bit unfair - given that the game has a significant number of options for tanks, and offers various lists designed around having a lot of tanks.

It's certainly unfortunate that GW didn't tool up an assault marine and despoiler kit (though honestly it really isn't hard to convert either) and it's annoying they haven't pushed anything out, but it also seems a bit foolish to complain that the game of massed tank and infantry battles does indeed feature a large number of heavy tanks.

 blood reaper wrote:
I think it's sorta amazing anyone is surprised that GWs immediate releases for the heresy are the easiest things for them to tool up. This kit coming out isn't by any means necessarily at the expense of assault marines or despoilers either (another bit of weird logic floating around many forums).

I'd also say the complaints about the game being tank heavy are a bit unfair - given that the game has a significant number of options for tanks, and offers various lists designed around having a lot of tanks.

It's certainly unfortunate that GW didn't tool up an assault marine and despoiler kit (though honestly it really isn't hard to convert either) and it's annoying they haven't pushed anything out, but it also seems a bit foolish to complain that the game of massed tank and infantry battles does indeed feature a large number of heavy tanks.

It also, arguably, sets it apart from 40K where traditionally Marines don’t really have Battle Tanks as such. I do mean traditionally, as the Primaris stuff has kind of changed it a bit.

Yes hordes of Power Armoured troops are also where it sets itself apart, but the tanks are just so pretty!

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 blood reaper wrote:
I think it's sorta amazing anyone is surprised that GWs immediate releases for the heresy are the easiest things for them to tool up. This kit coming out isn't by any means necessarily at the expense of assault marines or despoilers either (another bit of weird logic floating around many forums).

I'd also say the complaints about the game being tank heavy are a bit unfair - given that the game has a significant number of options for tanks, and offers various lists designed around having a lot of tanks.

It's certainly unfortunate that GW didn't tool up an assault marine and despoiler kit (though honestly it really isn't hard to convert either) and it's annoying they haven't pushed anything out, but it also seems a bit foolish to complain that the game of massed tank and infantry battles does indeed feature a large number of heavy tanks.

It also, arguably, sets it apart from 40K where traditionally Marines don’t really have Battle Tanks as such. I do mean traditionally, as the Primaris stuff has kind of changed it a bit.

Yes hordes of Power Armoured troops are also where it sets itself apart, but the tanks are just so pretty!

I mean in both games marines do have Battle Tanks but it's the number of tanks where it's set apart - in the Horus Heresy there's a significant surplus of armour the legions are able to draw upon which modern chapters simply lack. Even the least mechanised legion could arguably draw upon a pretty huge armoured force - something which people are now treating as if it is some weird flaw.

I really can't say I'm upset Forge World tank models, which are infamously crap in quality, are getting replaced by high quality plastics and for a lower price as well.

 blood reaper wrote:
I think it's sorta amazing anyone is surprised that GWs immediate releases for the heresy are the easiest things for them to tool up. This kit coming out isn't by any means necessarily at the expense of assault marines or despoilers either (another bit of weird logic floating around many forums).

I'd also say the complaints about the game being tank heavy are a bit unfair - given that the game has a significant number of options for tanks, and offers various lists designed around having a lot of tanks.

It's certainly unfortunate that GW didn't tool up an assault marine and despoiler kit (though honestly it really isn't hard to convert either) and it's annoying they haven't pushed anything out, but it also seems a bit foolish to complain that the game of massed tank and infantry battles does indeed feature a large number of heavy tanks.

Its less about tanks than it is just skipping the basic infantry that multiple legions are built around.

I just think nobody is looking forward to another 3 months of specialist Sicaran turrets while we don't have basic troop choices yet.

Nobody needs or has a demand for so many Tanks in that short Time...

RazorEdge wrote:
Nobody needs or has a demand for so many Tanks in that short Time...

That’s where you’re wrong

I love me some tanks and Dreadnoughts. I will never be sated.

Still want more infantry choices of course, but tanks make me happy.

Like another post already said: It is truly World of Tanks!

Do I want infantry update kits / new infantry kits in plastic?

Yes.

Do I want more tanks in plastic?

Double Yes.

What about Mechanicum Automatons in plastic?

All the remaining Yes.

One would think that TROOPS would be low-hanging fruit.

Apparently, giving us every tank before filling out the COMPULSORY slot first was fruit laying on the ground.

Ummm, I kinda need despoilers & scrounging around in the collective bits box is getting more difficult.

Really hope they do the custodes stuff in plastic, don't want to buy resin for several reasons

Racerguy180 wrote:
One would think that TROOPS would be low-hanging fruit.

Apparently, giving us every tank before filling out the COMPULSORY slot first was fruit laying on the ground.

Ummm, I kinda need despoilers & scrounging around in the collective bits box is getting more difficult.

It's simple. The Cerberus can be made with a token upgrade sprue for the Spartan they already have. Troops require making entire new kits and each of those kits may require unique sprues with little or no potential to reuse them on other kits.

Now, is it a good sign for the long-term health of the game that GW is making production decisions based on aggressive cost reduction rather than ensuring that the core units everyone needs to buy are prioritized over an obscure secondary unit that many people will have zero interest in? I'll let you draw your own conclusions about that.

Yet they gave us special & 3 heavy upgrades using the same basic bodies, but it took less effort(apparently) to do similar to tanks?
Maybe with the upcoming jetbikes there'll be a pistol/melee sprue for mkvi?

My point is, there are some armies that run troops geared toward their legion traits. With gaps in the availability not being addressed by fact of tanks, tanks & more tanks(I love tanks so its not that I don't want them).

I get drip feeding but, this is getting to be punitive at this point.

Racerguy180 wrote:
Yet they gave us special & 3 heavy upgrades using the same basic bodies, but it took less effort(apparently) to do similar to tanks?
Maybe with the upcoming jetbikes there'll be a pistol/melee sprue for mkvi?

Swapping hands is easier than swapping arms. For my money, I'd say GW is going to do a dual Despoiler/Assault kit similar to how 40k Assault Marines have a sprue of normal backpacks alongside jump packs.

I get drip feeding but, this is getting to be punitive at this point.

Seventeen plastic kits with reboxes of older kits that made them cheaper to buy in bulk alongside rules for all but 2 HH1 armies in 6 months is punitive? Have you maybe considered that not following 40k in releasing a thousand new things within months of each other is maybe a good thing?

Yeah, they chose to prioritize tanks over filling out the things that everyone needs. Instead of Kratos+Spartan at launch they could have dropped the jetbikes & despoiler/assaults and I'd bet less people would be complaining, esp legions that use them in bulk. The fact we've only recently had the bikes previewed 8mo since release of game is telling.

Notice how I left out the dreads, rhinos, LR variants & preds, that's due to them being more useful to more legions, like the troops would.

Every WE/NL/WS/BA recent 30k player I know are basically waiting on assault/bikes to round out their AOD boxes.

The troops would get more players playing, sooner. Which would only give the game a stronger beachhead with NEW players, so we don't get attrition due to boredom

 Gert wrote:

Racerguy180 wrote:
Yet they gave us special & 3 heavy upgrades using the same basic bodies, but it took less effort(apparently) to do similar to tanks?
Maybe with the upcoming jetbikes there'll be a pistol/melee sprue for mkvi?

Swapping hands is easier than swapping arms. For my money, I'd say GW is going to do a dual Despoiler/Assault kit similar to how 40k Assault Marines have a sprue of normal backpacks alongside jump packs.

I get drip feeding but, this is getting to be punitive at this point.

Seventeen plastic kits with reboxes of older kits that made them cheaper to buy in bulk alongside rules for all but 2 HH1 armies in 6 months is punitive? Have you maybe considered that not following 40k in releasing a thousand new things within months of each other is maybe a good thing?

I get why people are upset and frustrated but there is 100% a disconnect from the reality of the production process. It's funny to see people say they're worried about The Old World being treated like HH. What, like getting a ton of kits and consistent support? Truly atrocious.

Racerguy180 wrote:
Yeah, they chose to prioritize tanks over filling out the things that everyone needs. Instead of Kratos+Spartan at launch they could have dropped the jetbikes & despoiler/assaults and I'd bet less people would be complaining, esp legions that use them in bulk. The fact we've only recently had the bikes previewed 8mo since release of game is telling.

The Spartan is one of the most popular FW kits ever made and was one of the most requested plastic ports for years. It would have but utterly moronic for GW to not release a plastic Spartan at the release of HH2.
As for the Kratos, redoes of resin kits only get you so far and the Kratos was a new unit for people to play around with.
I don't see how in any possible way the release of Jetbikes in late Jan/early Feb is "telling" in any way. What does that even mean in this context?

Notice how I left out the dreads, rhinos, LR variants & preds, that's due to them being more useful to more legions, like the troops would.

A heavily armoured transport with a large transport capacity isn't useful to people using the Terminators they got in the AoD box? That's news to me. You seem to massively underestimate the popularity of the Spartan here my guy.

Every WE/NL/WS/BA recent 30k player I know are basically waiting on assault/bikes to round out their AOD boxes.

The WE/NL/BA players I know have never used Assault Marines so clearly, it's possible not to use them. Weird how people have different playstyles.

The troops would get more players playing, sooner. Which would only give the game a stronger beachhead with NEW players, so we don't get attrition due to boredom

You seem to think that if people don't get Assault or Breacher Marines, HH is going to become a dead game.
My guy, HH was absolutely fine before this and it will continue to be fine. GW isn't going to dump the most successful thing to come out of FW since the Death Korps of Krieg after less than a year just because some people are mad they can't get everything they want all at once.

The reality is that the next infantry kit (or three) are almost certainly done and just waiting for the right slot in the release schedule.

We have 40k 10th edition coming this summer which is likely to have thousands of new items being produced each week in time to ship out for the summer. If GW want to keep releasing stuff for other games during that busy production period do they pick:
a) The specialist tank kit that is likely to sell X boxes?
b) The common infantry kit that is likely to sell X * 4 or X * 5 boxes?

They may also want to make all the chapter-specific shoulder pads available before releasing any more infantry kits.

 Gert wrote:
The Spartan is one of the most popular FW kits ever made and was one of the most requested plastic ports for years. It would have but utterly moronic for GW to not release a plastic Spartan at the release of HH2.

I wouldn't be so sure about that. It was highly requested, but by people whose main concern was "how do I make my personal army cheaper" and not "how do I increase shareholder value". From a sales point of view the Spartan is actually a fairly questionable choice. Its popularity was largely the result of balance issues rather than inherent appeal to the model, and being a dominant unit for so long meant that a large percentage of the customer base already owned one. And since it's an expensive tank that requires an even more expensive terminator/primarch death star to function it's rare that a player will ever want to buy more than one. Contrast that with basic troops, which are always bought in multiples so the impact of a price drop is more significant and demand is more reliable, and the Spartan doesn't look like a great investment vs. a resin Spartan and plastic core units.

You seem to think that if people don't get Assault or Breacher Marines, HH is going to become a dead game.
My guy, HH was absolutely fine before this and it will continue to be fine. GW isn't going to dump the most successful thing to come out of FW since the Death Korps of Krieg after less than a year just because some people are mad they can't get everything they want all at once.

Of course GW isn't going to dump it immediately. But GW ending production isn't the only way for a game to die. Continued lack of access to high-demand kits means people are going to eventually get tired of waiting and move on. They'll be busy with other projects, the money they would have spent on 30k will be allocated elsewhere, and GW will be in the position of trying to rebuild hype and demand for a game that most people have already considered and rejected. Production may not end for quite a while longer but you end up with a game like Aeronautica Imperialis where the models are still mostly available to buy but ongoing support is nonexistent and the product line may never be finished. And there are already some red flags that 30k is heading that way in the slow pace of releases (other than mediocre shoulder pads) and GW's continued refusal to spend even a few minutes addressing the most egregious balance issues.


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 xttz wrote:
We have 40k 10th edition coming this summer which is likely to have thousands of new items being produced each week in time to ship out for the summer. If GW want to keep releasing stuff for other games during that busy production period do they pick:
a) The specialist tank kit that is likely to sell X boxes?
b) The common infantry kit that is likely to sell X * 4 or X * 5 boxes?

You know that's an argument against GW's current release schedule, right? If you're arranging products to fit into the 40k release cycle you want those 4X and 5X infantry boxes out right now, and you save the Cerberus for when only the hardcore fans who will care about the Cerberus are paying attention to anything other than 10th edition. Showing the Cerberus now suggests that it's the current release because 30k is not a priority and it's the only thing available to preview right now.