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This is a two part question. Consider the following scenarios

1. A basilisk has an ork trukk with reinforced ram in contact with it. The trukk had attempted to ram the basilisk but caused no damage. The imperial player wishes to turn on the spot to fire on a far away target that is not currently in its 45 degree arc of fire, knowing that if he decided to move (other than rotating on the spot) he would not be able to fire the weapon indirectly.



Can he do this even though it would cause an enemy model to be forcibly moved? Would he not be forced to remain at least 1 inch away from the trukk now that he has electively decided to rotate the basilisk?

2. A basilisk has a squad of ork nobs in contact with it. The nobz had attempted to damage the basilisk by assaulting it and failed to do so. The imperial player wishes to turn on the spot to fire on a far away target that is not currently in its 45 degree arc of fire, knowing that if he decided to move (other than rotating on the spot) he would not be able to fire the weapon indirectly.



Can he do this even though it would cause multiple enemy models to be forcibly moved? Would he not be forced to remain at least 1 inch away from the nobz now that he has electively decided to rotate the basilisk?

As far as I know the nob squad would just have to be moved out the way as vehicles can simply leave combat. I think in both cases the rotation is possible and you simply move the enemy models the minimun distance to allow for this.

Question 2 is very specifically dealt with in the core rules, p. 63, "VEHICLES AND ASSAULTS", right hand column, second paragraph under the "Successive turns" section:

"If the vehicle pivots on the spot..." etc.

As to a vheicle being in contact with another vehicle, such that it prevents pivoting, I don't recall that being covered, but I think the bit above shows us the way, so I would pivot the vehicle and then put the enemy vehicle back in contact with it.

shabbadoo wrote:Question 2 is very specifically dealt with in the core rules, p. 63, "VEHICLES AND ASSAULTS", right hand column, second paragraph under the "Successive turns" section:

"If the vehicle pivots on the spot..." etc.

As to a vheicle being in contact with another vehicle, such that it prevents pivoting, I don't recall that being covered, but I think the bit above shows us the way, so I would pivot the vehicle and then put the enemy vehicle back in contact with it.

Thanks guy, seems pretty clear. It does contradict page 11 though

Third paragraph "Models in the way"

"A model may not move into or through the space occupied by another model (which is represented by its base or by its hull) or through a gap between friendly models that is smaller than its own base (or hull) size. A model cannot move so that it touches an enemy - this only possible in an assault during the assault phase. To keep this distinction clear, a model may not move within 1 inch of an enemy model unless assaulting."

Now I take it that pg 63 supersedes that.

I would say no in case 1 but yes in case 2.

True, page 63 is in reference to models assaulting a vehicle, ramming is very different.

P63 gives you a specific exception to the normal rules relating to moving blocking models.

There is no similar exception for enemy vehicles blocking you from pivoting.

Scenario 1 can be done if you declare it a ram only.

Scenario 2 is always legal as pointed out.

Scott-S6 wrote:P63 gives you a specific exception to the normal rules relating to moving blocking models.

There is no similar exception for enemy vehicles blocking you from pivoting.

A vehicle is a model though, so I guess you'd still be able to move vehicles with weapon skill's