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Just how many Sisters are there in an Order Militant like the Order of Our Martyred Lady? And how many would there be in a smaller one? I was on the SoB Wikipedia page and it said: "They now comprise the billion strong Chamber Militant...". That seemed like a lot, but it is Wikipedia and therefore unreliable. My Order of Sisters is meant to be severely damaged by a Tyranid attack, but I don't know how many Sisters there would have been in a split-off Order to start with.

Preceptories have up to 1000 sisters, but the codex doesn't say how many Preceptories there are in an order. Page 11 of the WH codex if you want to look it up (Hard copy, not sure if it's present in the PDF)

Brunius wrote:Preceptories have up to 1000 sisters, but the codex doesn't say how many Preceptories there are in an order. Page 11 of the WH codex if you want to look it up (Hard copy, not sure if it's present in the PDF)

Mmm, I own the codex and I've seen that part, I was hoping that somewhere in some book there'd be a fairly precise number.

There's anywhere from a few tens of thousands to many millions depending on the size of the major orders and the number of minor orders at ay given time.

Basically, GW was lazy and didn't care. Which is about par for the course really.

The sisters don't deserve that kind of treatment...
No army does...

purplefood wrote:The sisters don't deserve that kind of treatment...
No army does...

I hate that... When I make a piece of fiction I try and create just about every single detail I possibly can. I ran a Dungeons & Dragons campaign once, I built an entire continent from scratch just in case. I wish GW could do the same.

Hell GW hasn't even told us how Sisters get from orbit to ground. They just say "HEY DISTRACTION" and while we aren't looking they say they're on the ground now and fighting.

Melissia wrote:Hell GW hasn't even told us how Sisters get from orbit to ground. They just say "HEY DISTRACTION" and while we aren't looking they say they're on the ground now and fighting.

Yes they have. They use lighters and things such as the Aquila Lander.

Kanluwen wrote:

Melissia wrote:Hell GW hasn't even told us how Sisters get from orbit to ground. They just say "HEY DISTRACTION" and while we aren't looking they say they're on the ground now and fighting.

Yes they have. They use lighters and things such as the Aquila Lander.

Source?

Seriously, I'd like to know. It'd give me more ammunition with which to defend my Sororitas Dropship in my fandex, which is basically just a modified Arvus/Aquila (basically just these with more armor).

Pretty sure that the WH codex describes the Sisters and an Inquisitor arriving to a meeting with a Governor in an Aquila.

Nothing about it screamed 'uparmored' and quite frankly, they seem like something you wouldn't see used for 'combat drops'.
Hell, you don't really see Sisters as being an army that would do it period.

Kanluwen wrote:Pretty sure that the WH codex describes the Sisters and an Inquisitor arriving to a meeting with a Governor in an Aquila.

I don't see it. Page number?

Kanluwen wrote:Nothing about it screamed 'uparmored' and quite frankly, they seem like something you wouldn't see used for 'combat drops'.

And that is why I produced the dropship.

Kanluwen wrote:Hell, you don't really see Sisters as being an army that would do it period.

Yes I do. What, do you want them to drop onto a planet outside of artillery range (IE, days and days and days of driving) only to have to drive (so how do they get those Rhinos to the ground anyway?)-- or worse, walk-- up to the enemy under constant artillery barrage whenever they attack a planet during a War of Faith, a Crusade, or just because there's heretics and they have the ammunition to deal with them?

That'd be stupid. Hell even Guard can do better than that.

Melissia wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Pretty sure that the WH codex describes the Sisters and an Inquisitor arriving to a meeting with a Governor in an Aquila.

I don't see it. Page number?

Don't have the book, going off memory. It might have been in the WD accompanying the release though. *shrug*

Kanluwen wrote:Nothing about it screamed 'uparmored' and quite frankly, they seem like something you wouldn't see used for 'combat drops'.

And that is why I produced the dropship.

No, that's why you made up the dropship. Correct terminology please.

Kanluwen wrote:Hell, you don't really see Sisters as being an army that would do it period.

Yes I do.

Because in your world Sisters can do everything. In GW's world, they can't and don't. Sisters, if they see combat, are either part of an Ecclesiarchal representation in the midst of a massive warzone--not serving any real purpose either-- or they're already present on the planet because it's a world that they're based upon.

What, do you want them to drop onto a planet outside of artillery range (IE, days and days and days of driving)

How often are they "dropping onto a planet" that has artillery? Oh. Right. Not often. And it's not like they go in by themselves, there's Guard and Navy and Astartes assets on the ground in 9/10 occasions where Sisters have 'traveled' to a combat zone.

only to have to drive (so how do they get those Rhinos to the ground anyway?)

Really? You're going to use this as a sticking point? Anyways. Guncutters/pinnaces the size of Eisenhorn's could transport Land Speeders--there's no issue with them carrying a Rhino.

or worse, walk-- up to the enemy under constant artillery barrage whenever they attack a planet during a War of Faith, a Crusade, or just because there's heretics and they have the ammunition to deal with them?
That'd be stupid.

So would sending Sisters into any real combat zone where artillery is in play.

Hell even Guard can do better than that.

Except the Guard in many cases "drive up/walk into battle under constant artillery barrages".

Kanluwen wrote:Don't have the book, going off memory. It might have been in the WD accompanying the release though. *shrug*

Okay then, tossing all that aside.

Because in your world Sisters can do everything.

You mean just like everyone else in 40k?

Oh wait, you expect Sisters to remain as bumbling incompetents whose only purpose is to be repeatedly pwned by the rest of the factions to make them look more badass. Right forgive me for not giving a damn about what you think.

How often are they "dropping onto a planet" that has artillery?

Any time they go into combat from orbit.

Except the Guard in many cases "drive up/walk into battle under constant artillery barrages".

And yet, they still have alternatives. Sometimes the alternatives aren't available, but if at all possible, the Guard DOES use its Valkyries and grav-chutes.

Melissia wrote:the Guard DOES use its Valkyries and grav-chutes.

Depends on the regiment really, Most don't do that sort of thing.

Melissia wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Don't have the book, going off memory. It might have been in the WD accompanying the release though. *shrug*

Okay then, tossing all that aside.

Blame my friend Jeff. He had my book and then vanished and haven't heard from him since 2007.

Because in your world Sisters can do everything.

You mean just like everyone else in 40k?

Sorry, who can do everything with no penalties?
I'm pretty sure no faction can do that, despite the tabletop saying otherwise.

Oh wait, you expect Sisters to remain as bumbling incompetents whose only purpose is to be repeatedly pwned by the rest of the factions to make them look more badass. Right forgive me for not giving a damn about what you think.

No, I expect Sisters to retain the fact that they're the cleansing flame of the Imperium, moving forward heedless of the costs and burning everything in their path as they go or putting whatever isn't burnt to death down with disciplined bolter fire.
I do not expect Marines with Breasts, like you seem to.

How often are they "dropping onto a planet" that has artillery?

Any time they go into combat from orbit.

So...never. Got it.

Except the Guard in many cases "drive up/walk into battle under constant artillery barrages".

And yet, they still have alternatives. Sometimes the alternatives aren't available, but if at all possible, the Guard DOES use its Valkyries and grav-chutes.

No, they don't. There's very little about the regular Guard using Valkyries and grav-chutes. They're reserved for Stormtrooper or Drop Regiments(which are rare and usually trained to the standards of Stormtroopers).

Kanluwen wrote:

Melissia wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Don't have the book, going off memory. It might have been in the WD accompanying the release though. *shrug*

Okay then, tossing all that aside.

Blame my friend Jeff. He had my book and then vanished and haven't heard from him since 2007.

Ouch. Hurts when someone that "borrows" doesn't return it.

Sorry, who can do everything with no penalties?

Nobody, but if you're claiming that in my fandex Sisters have no "penalties", then I have to assume you haven't read it.

No, I expect Sisters to retain the fact that they're the cleansing flame of the Imperium, moving forward heedless of the costs and burning everything in their path as they go or putting whatever isn't burnt to death down with disciplined bolter fire.

You mean like my codex?

I do not expect Marines with Breasts, like you seem to.

Again, I have to assume you haven't actually read it.

The flier is just a flying rhino as far as armor values go and its easy to take down, while costing more than twice as much as a rhino-- it's a modified arvus/aquilla, something that isn't unique to any of the Imperial factions and is distinctly Imperial rather than Marine-based, and it's expensive and fragile to balance out its speed and deep striking. But I guess that is something you'd find hard to admit, what with you being quite unwilling to actually READ the codex. The single and only artillery unit (a variant of the Exorcist using different warheads) takes up a heavy support slot that would otherwise be used for long-ranged anti-tank, something the Sisters sorely lack-- and it uses incendiary ammunition and the Exorcist's firing rules to keep the flavor of the army. But I guess that is something you'd find hard to admit, what with you being quite unwilling to actually READ the codex. The focus of unit variation and indeed the strength of the army was on the infantry of the Sisters, you know, to continue having them be the wall of cleansing flame, boltgun spam, and melta death that they have always been, but with more variation in how this can be accomplished by the player. But I guess that is something you'd find hard to admit, what with you being quite unwilling to actually READ the codex. The changes I made to penitent engines made them MORE of maddened berserkers than before, to the point where they are able to take several hits that would down a normal vehicle due to sheer insanity and berseker rage-- thus fitting their fluff better by being uncontrollable metallic monstrosities. But I guess that is something you'd find hard to admit, what with you being quite unwilling to actually READ the codex. The MBT I introduced was a variation of the most common tank in the Imperium, used by all other Imperial factions that have tanks. It's more expensive because of its increased BS, and it sacrifices area of effect for a relatively small chance to hit harder (only getting a Melta hit one third of the time). But I guess that is something you'd find hard to admit, what with you being quite unwilling to actually READ the codex. Its light tank is designed to keep up with infantry as mobile fire support for them, or to keep up with their mechanized advance while still able to provide some limited fire support. While expensive for its fragility, it provides a way for Sisters' infantry to be more successful at being a marching wall of cleansing flame, or a driving one for that matter. But I guess that is something you'd find hard to admit, what with you being quite unwilling to actually READ the codex.

And so on and so forth.

So...never. Got it.

Some more not reading. This happens every time there's a war of faith, every time the Sisters participate in a crusade, etc. One thousand sisters alone conquer a planet, and yet somehow they do this without a transition from orbit to ground? Well then, I suppose Sisters must now have some strong naval capabilities to be able to do that.

No, they don't.

And yet more of it! As I said (But you apparently were unwilling/unable to read), these things are not always available to Guard commanders, but when they have them, they make use of them.

Despite your attempts to label my views on the fluff as skewed, yours are far, far more so. So if you seriously want to critique my codex, go read it first, and then you can post in its thread on the IGMB. Until then, let's get back on topic ^.^

Maybe they'll get Storm Ravens.

Melissia wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

Melissia wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Don't have the book, going off memory. It might have been in the WD accompanying the release though. *shrug*

Okay then, tossing all that aside.

Blame my friend Jeff. He had my book and then vanished and haven't heard from him since 2007.

Ouch. Hurts when someone that "borrows" doesn't return it.

Sorry, who can do everything with no penalties?

Nobody, but if you're claiming that in my fandex Sisters have no "penalties", then I have to assume you haven't read it.

No, I expect Sisters to retain the fact that they're the cleansing flame of the Imperium, moving forward heedless of the costs and burning everything in their path as they go or putting whatever isn't burnt to death down with disciplined bolter fire.

You mean like my codex?

Bikers and Scouts are not part of that vision. Otherwise GW would actually have used it.

I do not expect Marines with Breasts, like you seem to.

Again, I have to assume you haven't actually read it.

Scout sisters, biker sisters, techsisters(never mind the whole Ecclesiarchy and Mechanicus feud--TECHSISTERS WOOOO!). I'm going to guess you got rid of the 'flamer/meltasniper' at some point and the last copy I read a year or so back has been altered.

The flier is just a flying rhino as far as armor values go and its easy to take down, while costing more than twice as much as a rhino-- it's a modified arvus/aquilla, something that isn't unique to any of the Imperial factions and is distinctly Imperial rather than Marine-based, and it's expensive and fragile to balance out its speed and deep striking. But I guess that is something you'd find hard to admit, what with you being quite unwilling to actually READ the codex.

What 'speed'? Aquilas are wallowing targets, that were only used by the Imperium during Taros in 'dire circumstances' or when Valkyries couldn't be allocated to VIPs.

The rest of your post really isn't worth responding to, since it's just "you haven't read my book so you can't talk ^_^".

I dont think they get stormravens. Thats just to Adaptus Astartes.

Kanluwen wrote:I'm going to guess you got rid of the 'flamer/meltasniper' at some point and the last copy I read a year or so back has been altered.

More proof that you have never actually read my codex and therefor should read it before trying to comment on it, as right now you're just making things up that were never actually in the codex in the first place.

The rest of your post really isn't worth responding to, since it's just "you haven't read my book so you can't talk ^_^".

Yes, I do like being right.

Melissia wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:I'm going to guess you got rid of the 'flamer/meltasniper' at some point and the last copy I read a year or so back has been altered.

More proof that you have never actually read my codex and therefor should read it before trying to comment on it, as right now you're just making things up that were never actually in the codex in the first place.

I'm fairly positive it was you that had the suggestion of a 'sniper flamer' in Proposed Rules and cited it for your "SoB fandex". Might not be, since there's a buttload of stupid crap posted in there at all times and you might just have posted in the thread.

The rest of your post really isn't worth responding to, since it's just "you haven't read my book so you can't talk ^_^".

Yes, I do like being right.

Yeah, it's not hard being right when you make things up to suit your own vision.

No, that was someone else's idea based off of some stupid fan picture.

Arvus and Aquila ain;t the same
Arvus are lightly protected unarmed transports
Aquilas do have a minor transport capacity but when compared to Thunderbolts/Lightnings its like comparing a Gloster Gladiator to a Spitfire/Hurricane

I know they aren't. Actually I was more preferring the Arvus because it has a lot more room in and on it, what with it being a cargo transport, and therefor more room for modification as well as for its power armored cargo. Adding a bit more armor so it is roughly equivalent to the Rhino, a better engine/propulsion, and a storm bolter isn't exactly something beyond the realm of believability for a cargo transport. I mean that's basically how you'd make a makeshift APC anyway.

What?

You think the Arvus is "roomy"?

It can barely transport a squad of Guardsmen in flak armor carrying lasguns and no heavy weapons, according to the fluff.

That's a terrible "cargo transport".

Kanluwen wrote:What?

You think the Arvus is "roomy"?

It can barely transport a squad of Guardsmen in flak armor carrying lasguns and no heavy weapons, according to the fluff.

That's a terrible "cargo transport".

Yeah, but then again, the rhino is able to carry ten Marines in power armor and yet it still can't fit any more than ten ratlings in it.

Melissia wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:What?

You think the Arvus is "roomy"?

It can barely transport a squad of Guardsmen in flak armor carrying lasguns and no heavy weapons, according to the fluff.

That's a terrible "cargo transport".

Yeah, but then again, the rhino is able to carry ten Marines in power armor and yet it still can't fit any more than ten ratlings in it.

Because the model isn't in scale with the fluff. Just like Astartes are supposed to be taller than humans, but aren't.

The Arvus is described in the background as being able to barely hold that squad of 10 Guardsmen and their weapons.

Kanluwen wrote:Because the model isn't in scale with the fluff.

You mean the rules.

Melissia wrote:There's anywhere from a few tens of thousands to many millions depending on the size of the major orders and the number of minor orders at ay given time.

Basically, GW was lazy and didn't care. Which is about par for the course really.

So in other words, SoB where to replace SM Legions by numbers?

Brother Coa wrote:

Melissia wrote:There's anywhere from a few tens of thousands to many millions depending on the size of the major orders and the number of minor orders at ay given time.

Basically, GW was lazy and didn't care. Which is about par for the course really.

So in other words, SoB where to replace SM Legions by numbers?

Let A be 1 Astartes, S be 10 SoB and I be 100 IG:

A=S=I

Each has a completely separate function, however. All 3 are military institutions, but with different purposes.