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So, yes this idea primarily has to do with the ability of a Queek the head taker that has Skitter leap cast on him. to travel to a rear unit behind all others and target any casters.
I primarily have opponents that line their army up just in one giant line and so do I.
Using a couple warplock engineers to aquire the skitter leap, then cast it a turn before the combat begins.
Does Queek have what it takes to potentionally 1v20 a unit if its in the rear? and possibly with front support to speed up the combat?

I think it's risky to ever send a single unit back there, esp. a SC. Besides, most casters will stuffed in units with champions. Unless they are monstrous casters, and those might be able to kill him solo.

But maybe most importantly, this comes after the movement phase so he'll be sitting there unengaged picking his nose for one round while the enemy decides what to do. Which likely involves deathy things to him.

Teleporting a ranged unit would at least give them a shot, and be a way to hunt war machines. But a solo guy is just asking to lose a couple hundred points IMHO.

The thing is that he's 215. honestly not much when its something that can potentially feth up your opponents battle plan. He's like throwing a wrench into their plans because he'd be out of charge area and this strategy is only taken in the event of 0 artillery, since nothing will be able to actually charge him. and he'l have the choice of which lord or champion to go after. almost like an assasin but appearingly more effective.

honestly if you just had a line of 20 man units each what would you do if something popped up right behind it?
i would thing the best thing you have is maby some rangers that'l have to move and shoot at a single man moddle making it incredabley difficult. or use magic to kill him. or mess up your line.

Far more cost effective to skitterleap an engineer with a Brass Orb or Doomrocket back there instead.

Ham doctor wrote:honestly if you just had a line of 20 man units each what would you do if something popped up right behind it?

What would I do? I would ask myself if he was worth more to kill or not bother with. And that's problem, it is completely up to your opponent to decide whether to kill him or not. Because he poofs back there and can't do a damn thing until next round. He can be spelled, shot, potentially charged, whatever.

But, you know, try it and see. This is just theory.

Using Skitterleap to get things quickly into combat or in range for a Brass Orb etc is bread and butter Skaven tactics. I would never do this will Queek though, he is always going to be your army general so is far better served staying with the bulk of his army where he is safer and more helpful. In general this is a pretty risky tactic to use for combat characters though (rather than shooting characters), because your opponent gets a turn to react before you can charge so has ample opportunity to shoot you or zap you to death with magic. Usually you wouldn't go after big blocks with combat characters either because even if you are a killing machine, steadfast and static res will keep them around long enough for you to be countercharged and dealt with. Mostly you should Skitterleap Assassins etc to get into war machines, skirmishers and missile troops (assuming there aren't too many of them).

Please port your general away from your battleline.
Thank you,

-The Empire

I like how you are thinking outside the box, but I really, really, really dislike the idea of putting a solo character somewhere where it can get shot at/charged/insta-gibbed. I honestly can't think of an instance where I would use it...

Its very situational but very useful against some armies. I take Shadow in my Lizardmen list with plenty of Scar Vets which work in a similar way to this. Dropping them right next to a battery of war machines (where 1 can shoot them but has to guess 0 so can easily miss and the rest can't because it would hit the other war machines) is a fairly effective way to neutralise them. Even if they have a few direct shooting units nearby it can still work because a) hitting a single model is hard and b) you can take a decent character with some armour who can handle it anyway. You can even go after the shooting units themselves in some cases, if nothing else it can force them to turn and split their shooting or present a flank (to the character or your main battleline).

For Skaven its easier because the best way for them to do this is with shooting units, which don't have to last a round of shooting/magic before they do their damage.

In either case you should never be doing this with your General though, you should always be basing this tactic around tossing killy expendable units quickly into action. Your General is just too valuable to throw away like that.

Powerguy wrote:Its very situational but very useful against some armies. I take Shadow in my Lizardmen list with plenty of Scar Vets which work in a similar way to this. Dropping them right next to a battery of war machines (where 1 can shoot them but has to guess 0 so can easily miss and the rest can't because it would hit the other war machines) is a fairly effective way to neutralise them. Even if they have a few direct shooting units nearby it can still work because a) hitting a single model is hard and b) you can take a decent character with some armour who can handle it anyway. You can even go after the shooting units themselves in some cases, if nothing else it can force them to turn and split their shooting or present a flank (to the character or your main battleline).

For Skaven its easier because the best way for them to do this is with shooting units, which don't have to last a round of shooting/magic before they do their damage.

In either case you should never be doing this with your General though, you should always be basing this tactic around tossing killy expendable units quickly into action. Your General is just too valuable to throw away like that.

Do any war machines still have to guess range anymore instead of just placing a template?

Wehrkind wrote:
Do any war machines still have to guess range anymore instead of just placing a template?

They still have a minimum range of 12" on stone throwers, cannons start an artillery die forward of the aim point, and grape shot has to roll to hit.
I've done this tactic with my dark elves; but only with cheap assassins or the unkillable lord. Also, dark elves have decent leadership without the general, and the loss of the general will cost you an extra 100 points.

-Matt

Ahh ok that's what he was getting at. I thought maybe some armies still had old rules for stone throwers and the like, not just minimum ranges and cannon dice.
thanks.

"if they have a few direct shooting units nearby it can still work because a) hitting a single model is hard and b) you can take a decent character with some armor who can handle it anyway." this is the point i mean when it comes to shooting and magic would be the choice when or whether or not to use it. and plus if they have a warmachine. and they attempt to hit him, just imagine of the accidental damage. right after him is your opponents soldiers, i dont think he'll want to target him.

so the only threat to this tactic is magic essentially since shooting him would be too difficult to do anything with his armor save and their bad positioning.