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Well getting into fantasy started playing a dwarf army....during my first few games I played against a person playing the new orcs and goblins codex and came up with a question about fanatics....

During deployment I used rangers to deploy 12 inches away from 2 big blocks of NG on there right flank arc....each with 3 fanatics in them....

I got first turn and charged one of the unit triggering the fanatics in both groups....

Now the question is....Can the O&G player release the fanatics from a flank or do they have to pop out of the front arc...

We had a older player and he stated that they came out of the front arc in a straight line 3d6 inches....which really made for a bad day for the O&G guy, since it I destroyed one NG unit with my rangers, the Fanatics went thru his unit to the front and killed them, and the rest of the game they basically just moved thru his entire army.

Any help with this?

"When a fanatic is released, you may choose the direction in which it travels, and the point on the concealing unit from which it starts."

It also behaves as the Random Movement rule in the BRB. Which states:

"first pivot it about its centre (wacky Brits) to face the direction in which you wish it tor travel. Then, roll the dice shown in the model's profile. No other pivots may be made."

So it can basically be released in a 360 degree arc from any point on the unit! But it travels in a straight line from there.

A fanatic is thrown out of a unit in any direction the controlling player decides from any corner of the unit. They choose from what point they pop out, and what direction, then roll 2d6.

After that, you roll the scatter dice and 2d6 to choose the direction and distance.

As Duke says. Not only was the other player wrong on the direction they have to be released in, he was wrong on the distance as well.

There are a number of KEY changes to fanatics in the new O&G book as well; someone who only knows the older version WILL get this wrong.

The way that Fanatics are released is exactly the same in the new book as it was in the old (I don't know if this was different in books previous to this)
'Fanatics can be released in any direction and from any point on the concealing unit and move 2D6"'

I never said this was one of the changes. Reread more carefully.

nosferatu1001 wrote:I never said this was one of the changes. Reread more carefully.

I assume this post was directed at me, so I suggest its actually you who need to re-read a little more carefully.
I was actually responding to the fact that the OP had received the false information from an 'older palyer'. I took from this, maybe wrongly maybe rightly, the implication that the older player may have been refering to an old rule, hence why I added that I do not remember if this rule was different in older books than the previous.

edit.. Actually, now I have re-read the thread. Why would someone who only knows the old book get this particular rule wrong?

You responded after the point had been answered, and your post could be seen as a response to mine.

Apologies if I misunderstood, damn text only sites

Dark_Angels_Sav wrote:
During deployment I used rangers to deploy 12 inches away from 2 big blocks of NG on there right flank arc....each with 3 fanatics in them....

I got first turn and charged one of the unit triggering the fanatics in both groups....

Also, unless your unit has a special rule that allows them to charge on turn 1 (since you got to go first) then they couldn't have charged on turn 1 anyway, since you can't scout and charge on turn 1 if you won first turn. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Now the question is....Can the O&G player release the fanatics from a flank or do they have to pop out of the front arc...

The Night goblin unit can release the fanatics from any side of the unit, front, side or rear.

Gorillawizard wrote:

Now the question is....Can the O&G player release the fanatics from a flank or do they have to pop out of the front arc...

The Night goblin unit can release the fanatics from any side of the unit, front, side or rear.

And direction. The unit can release them from the right file direct him to a 50 deg angle to the left so a 5" roll will only be 2" infront of the unit.

Artee wrote:

Gorillawizard wrote:

Now the question is....Can the O&G player release the fanatics from a flank or do they have to pop out of the front arc...

The Night goblin unit can release the fanatics from any side of the unit, front, side or rear.

And direction. The unit can release them from the right file direct him to a 50 deg angle to the left so a 5" roll will only be 2" infront of the unit.

I've called more than 1 player on this. Toss out a fanatic at that angle and roll really low, you've got a good shot of that fanatic ending it's move touching the goblins that released it.
Yes, you can release down that line.
Yes, you can hit your own unit with a low roll.
No, you cannot readjust the angle after you see you rolled snake eyes.

-Matt

...but couldn't you just release them at a slightly bigger angle outward, and make that impossible, then? Should keep the overall strategy in tact.

Warpsolution wrote:...but couldn't you just release them at a slightly bigger angle outward, and make that impossible, then? Should keep the overall strategy in tact.

Sure you can. My point is that I'm going to be unforgiving once the angle is picked.
I knew more than one player who in 7th would release from the rear of the unit going forward.
3D6 S5 hits on goblins is a good trade for 6D6 S5 hits on chaos warriors.

-Matt

You know I think the 2d6 trick from the back rank throwing forward is pretty dirty, but your right I've talked with alot of folks who did that regularly. Going by the rules, its allowed - folks just have to deal with it I guess.

Here's a recommendation I'm doing with throwing my fanatics - bring a piece of string and lay it out from the start point to the angle you want to throw them in (I'd say use a ruler or tape measure or something but may not exactly work depending on the angle). Helps keep folks honest.

Picking a model in your unit and a model in the line o' fire works too. Laser pointers, I suppose, would be ideal. If your into that sort of voodoo.