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Hey guys i was just wondering about peoples thoughts on termies and LRs in 1500pt games.

Ive got some lovely termie models and have also bid on some Khorne Termies and Zhufor on ebay and i really fancy using them in my list!

is it a no no to use such a massive amount of points on such a small unit ????

I wanted to make a list that had three Land Raiders one with terminators with lightling claws and one with a CH. The other two full of zerkers with one with Kharn.

I say go for it. It's a nice sludge hammer of a unit.

I think they're very cool units, but are taken too often in the wrong setups with the wrong support too often. Spending 1/2 your army's points in terms + LRs when they're chaos versions w/o all the nice special rules and variant pattern LRs is a mistake imo.

If your going to play casually, it is a pain in the arse to deal with a LR and whatever is inside (usually nasty!).

If your going against IG, or things with lots of meltas, it will be painful to see as a third of your army gets wiped out before it does anything useful.

As long as your not up against Eldar (Land Raiders are nigh useless vs them with their lance weaponry). But I love a LR in a 1500 point army its a large enough army to include such an expensive vehicle and not too big that the enemy would expect you to take it (I hope that makes sense... anyhow the point limit is just right). And as for the Terminators... He he he... I love termies (thats why I have 20 of them) they will will be great at assaulting a small squat or a squad that stands no chance vs. such an elite unit, but be sure to bring an assault focused squad or two to support them in CC. BTW I'm a BA player not Chaos but I figure they are very similar (if not identical) in use.

I think that chaos Terminators are a bit weaker than imperials in assault because you don't have "and they shall know no fear". I like taking them for cheap access to Reaper autocannons, especially in lower point games such as this where light to medium vehicles are more common. Land Raider? Sure, as long as you stuff troops inside for an objective pillbox.

Aside from that, I'm still pretty new to CSM myself but that's just what I think with a few games under my belt.

14/14/14 is still tough. It's not a bad choice.

I find is silly that it's looked at as a bad choice because Codex space marines have a different version. The Chaos land raider still has the same armor, and moves a ton of guys into melee. Got for it.

I'd say go for it, however:

- I'd recommend putting a scoring units (e.g. Bezerkers) in it, then if you have points left over, get some Termies and rhino for said unit instead.

- Make sure you have sufficient armour saturation; i.e. other suitable threats that can help draw the fire from the Land Raider. Vindicators, Defilers and to a lesser extent Predators are perfect for this. The latter of whom also provides a similar range to the LR.

As a CSM player I've tried this. It works well if you're up against basic troops like orks but not against other elite units like Nobz as the two wounds and loads of attacks they get will gradually wear you down (if the enemy has a large unit that is). This will also work better if theres not too much cover around for the enemy to hide behind and try and pick you off with heavy weapons. I do find 250 points a lot even for a Land Raider - you could get a lot of troops for that. Basically it can be worth it but you need a good idea about what you're up against first. Good luck!

Lightning Claw Terminator Champions with Mark of Khorne coming out of a Possessed Land Raider is pretty good with 30 Lightning Claws attacks but that's half your army... Zerks are great in a Raider as well. On a few occasions I have used a Tz Lord with 4 Combi-Melta Terminators in a Raider but it almost always makes more sense to put a scoring unit in there. At 1500 the only Raider list I use now is 3x10 CSM with 2 of the squads in Rhinos and the last one in a Raider, it's really hard to find points for anything other than Termicide at 1500 especially if there is a Land Raider.

I use tzeentch termies.... much harder to kill and can have a nasty surprise (force weapon) inside to carry the assault.

However, I'd caution against khorne termies... people are scared by khorne (at least everyone I play) cos they know what khorne gives them...

The 'zerkers with kharn would be a great idea as they will be safe in the LR and have a larger nmber when then charge out!

Good advice guys, the list i drew up for 1500 was like this

2 x 8 zerkers with power fist skull champs in rhinos

1 x 10 marines in rhino with 2 meltas

1 x land raider with 4 termies, MOK

1 x Termie lord MOK twin claws

1 x 6 havocs with 4 missile launchers or autos.

I just thought they would be a nice unit to have as they are so resilient and when they get into combat they would be devestating.

in my full list i have the exact same army but

minus

- LR, - termies - - termie lord

add

predator - dread - chosen squad in rhino with meltas - lord with twin claws with a zerker unit

Good list, I'd take Oblits or a Vindi as heavy but if you get good results with havocs make it happen.

Generally, I stay from Chaos Failraiders, as they suffer from identity crisis even worse than the SMurf ones, mainly because of lack of POTM.

And by using Termies in a Raider, your skipping their greatest advantage; Combis + DS + Icon.

That said, CSM Termies in a Raider can work, yes. But They won't be as good a hammer as TH/SS Termies, and will suck up more points.

Sadly us CSM commanders can't have termies with TH+SS

I prefer the ole' "drop in, unleash hell and then bide your time untill you can assault..."
Taking a "flamers squad" (HF, combi-flamers) And a "melta squad" (with combi-meltas and maybe a chainfist) works well.
The flamers drop close up to a "flammable" unit, the meltas pop a tank (hopefully).
I take MOK for extra killiness.
Reserve your land raider for a hefty squad of plague marines, drop them on an objective, and they won't shift in a hurry!

Dark Apostle 666 wrote:I prefer the ole' "drop in, unleash hell and then bide your time untill you can assault..."
Taking a "flamers squad" (HF, combi-flamers) And a "melta squad" (with combi-meltas and maybe a chainfist) works well.
The flamers drop close up to a "flammable" unit, the meltas pop a tank (hopefully).
I take MOK for extra killiness.
Reserve your land raider for a hefty squad of plague marines, drop them on an objective, and they won't shift in a hurry!

Nice idea that, however im running a World Eaters force so no other cults for me just the bunny eared madmen! Tempted now to drop the Raider from myl ist and put 2 predators in to go along with my Havocs!

A Land Raider is really useful for dropping off Abaddon, Typhus, or Kharn + Friends. (In the case of Kharn though, make his "friends" a squad of possessed.)

If Plague Marines are out, then a LR works to drop off a big Bezerker squad, especially nasty if you add a Khorne lord with Daemon weapon...

I would recommend the LR vs Grey Knights because they have little anti-tank except in CC.