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puma713 wrote:What's more alarming to me is that I have to inspect a new product for miscasts anyway. What about items that aren't blisters? How would one go about making sure they're not buying a defective product? I, as a consumer, should not be worried about the new product I'm going to buy before I've even bought it.

Just like you did when they were in metal, I hope.

I sure hope most of you guys are exaggerating a little. When a manufacturer puts out a new product they kinda -have- to describe it as the next best thing to sliced bread. It's a part of the corporate spiel. Microsoft, Volvo, <insert random startup>, etc. are all releasing "revolutionary" products if you read their pressreleases.

Sure, I wish GW or most other companies were a little more transparent. But it's not like it's hard to spot what's pressrelease-talk and what isn't. Is it? All this "They said it was manna from heaven BUT IT WASN'T!!!" is getting a bit tiresome.

puma713 wrote:Sure, I would check it to make sure all the pieces were there. But I wasn't worried that I'd have to green stuff a bolter back together, no.

You and me have different experience with metals then. I've had a bunch that were of questionable quality. So... I inspect them if possible.

puma713 wrote:Right, the difference is, generally, the new product replaces the old one with a better verson. A lot of times this is subjective (Vista replacing XP, for example), but when it is something hard-and-fast, it is more objective. To say that something is amazing, much better than its predecessor and then you hold it up to its predecessor and it has actual, realized flaws that the predecessor does not, then not only have the exaggerated their claims, but they've simply lied too.

Big companies "lie" most of the time. It's nothing new? As a public company they really can't say "We made a slightly worse version this time", even though we consumers would appreciate that.

puma713 wrote:Right. Instead, they said the exact opposite. But. . . that's okay? We should just accept it because, "big companies lie all the time"?

No. I would't say "accept it". But I wouldn't use "they said" when we all know that the truth usually is pretty far from what a company says in a press release about their new product. Especially Games Workshop...
Some posters in this thread act kinda surprised when the press release isn't holding up to it's promises. Might be just me having to read through a ton of press releases & corporate publications and getting used to it / getting bitter? I wouldn't rule out the latter tbh

No it's not ok to "lie". But it sure is OK in the corporate world to exaggerate as much as you can and put your new product in the best light possible.

I put "lie" in quotationmarks in my original post in order for you guys not to take it literaly. Apparently it didn't get through. I'm sorry for that and will make sure to flag it better next time.

Got the Emprahs Champion and Ghazzie today.

Emperors Champion was without flaws.

Ghazkulls bolter arm had a ton of mold release left on it plus some air bubbles that will not be fixable. I plan to use the return policy for that one tomorrow. All the other sprues (3 out of 4) was without any unexpected flaws or missing details.

YMMV etc.

Ouze wrote:

pixelpusher wrote:Ghazkulls bolter arm had a ton of mold release left on it plus some air bubbles that will not be fixable. I plan to use the return policy for that one tomorrow

What are you referring to by mold release - silicone grease or similar? I had read you'd be able to paint these right out of the blister without priming, but doubted that could possibly be true. That really would be revolutionary.

Dunno what this gunk is. I don't want to speculate... it looks much like something entirely different ^_^ (I need to clean my lense as well... the black spots are dust not air bubbles.)
The mold itself is pink-ish. Found some under Ghazkulls feet.

I wouldn't paint these – or anything really – out of the box. You'll add enough grease and stuff just by handling the mini while assembling. I clean and degrase with some simple green before and after assembly.

It's Ghazkulls bolter arm. Blown up fullsize with a macro lense and flash.

That sprue really is bad. The rest of the parts haven't got the gunk, but are severely misaligned. Only on that sprue though. Guess it was the last lemon of the batch or something.

EDIT
I spoke to the salesdude about just this thing. He was very upfront with me taking it back if I found anything I wasn't pleased with. Just as usual. If I hadn't been in a hurry (had all of 5 minutes in the GW-store before I had to run to the train) I would've opened it up in the store.

xxvaderxx wrote:From what i read so far, this models are terrible.

They are soft plastic, which means a- they are not going to last, b- bent parts cant be straightened and c- paint is going to fall off them.

A Dunno about that
B Absolutely wrong. I just recently straightened the sword on my Emperors Champion with some hot tap water. No sort of memory effect and it turned soft pretty quick. Very easy to work with.
C depends a lot on your prep-work and/if you chew on your painted minis (Eldar taste a little better than Chaos Marines, usually)

Even back when I bought RTB01 you were advised to clean your minis before painting them. As well as filling any gaps or defects with Milliput (no green stuff back then) or similar. It's weird you haven't heard of that until now.