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Slippery Ultramarine Scout Biker





On Crusade

Hoo boy, kids! I am risking life and limb to get this info to you. today i bagged a Finecast Librarian in terminator armor!!!!!!!! BOO YAHH to me.

1) Don't ask where I got it, I cant say.

I can't say were this copy came from. I can say, that I don't work for GW and my source is here in the US and is not a member of GW ether. Unfortunatly returning it for another is not feasable. I am not even suppose to have it this early. The other copies were just as bad upon closer inspection. My source is now very nervous about GW and the finecast line.

2) I am working on it as we speak - so update will be in this post as i make more progress

Now lets begin . . . .

The Model is priced at $18.95. Only a dollar more then the metal version after tax here in the US.

Seen here is the front of the blister package (which jumps out at you on the shelf):



The back of the package is clear:



The blister has to be cut open. Its nice though to have a full color photo on the front for reference. Blister is extremely thin compared to the old blisters.

Here are the contents (my gallery has zoomable pics):













Now for my review:

The material is wierd feeling, it does not feel or smell like resin - its more on the plastic end. it is EXTREMELY SOFT - cuts with a new hobby knife easier then a hot knife thru butter. There are some heavy sprue gates but due to the softness of the material its easy to remove and clean up. Sanding is semi easy - i recommend fine grit or you will cut right thru the figures details in no time. The metal burs and stuff that plague the metal figures don't exist here. Sanding leaves less mess then a plastic figure. Almost no dust. DO NOT USE METAL FILES OR YOU WILL BE SORRY -THEY WILL DO MORE DAMAGE THEN GOOD. This is nothing like forgeworld resin or citadel plastic. I have a feeling that it will make altering figures vastly easier!

There are a few small mold lines along the guns and staff and a few micro size air bubbles (one at the very tip of his nose but is so small i can barely make it out - I never knew my metal figure had a smashed boxer's nose till I looked at the two side by side!), but the figure is clean except for his feet. nothing a little TLC can't fix. Detail is sharper then the original. I released that there were tiny ropes and stuff binding some skulls to the staff and armor. Holy Crap! The new material loves superglue. Bonding time is fast.

Good news:

Lack of weight makes pinning unneeded. The whole figure with base weighs about the same a a single plastic space marine. Also that MIGHT ensure that the kit survives a floor drop. Notice I said might.

The material has some flex to it. It can be bent (this is interesting - should prevent the broken sword, tips etc). It will return to its orginal shape after you let go.

The material does not have to be primed. This is shocking. A quick wash with warm, soapy water and BAM. Paint sticks. Period. Primer can be used, but go easy or you will lose alot of detail. Strongly recommend sealing figures whether or not you prime them.

Bad news:

Remember when i said the material is extremely soft. It also has some flex to it too. The librarians staff is impossible to straighten. I have tried heating it, then boiling it, etc. the staff is thin and has a slight bend to it. The material seems to have a limited memory to it and returns to its former shape. Will have to try other methods to fix that. Perhaps I need to heat it and chill it?

NEWSFLASH:

I heated the staff with my girlfriend's blowdryer. It only took ten seconds for the staff to go from flexable to cooked spagetti soft. The staff went limp as soon as i picked off the desk to move to a plate. This requires extreme care. The resin stuff got mushy real quick. Weird. placed in freezer for 5 minutes. Staff is now straight. Foreworld resin will fight like a bastard to get soft, and even then it is brittle when bent.

CRAPOLA!!!!!

Missed this during the reg review which someone pointed out to me (good eye!): the storm bolter is miscast and missing the whole top half (i used the hand option). GRRRRRRRRR.



Not including the mold line on the figure's staff there is a bubble hole in the top of the staff near the right where the pipe work is:



Overall:

The weight savings and lack of primer is nice, time and experiance will tell if this was a smart move by Games Workshop. Do i think a price jump is needed? NOPE. Do I like the finecast more then metal. Absolutely!!!

if they can work out the casting issues then this will be awesome

Sorry if this seems a little brief for some people, I love GW space marines (i build to display). I have had issues with metal models, plastic models (ever buy a warped land raider?? i have) etc.

I just posted a review of this figure after all the outrage over price increases and resin remakes. I was pretty stoked to get this kit and maybe a little overeager to share with you guys. I am working on it as we speak and when its done will show you the final product compared to my metal librarian (which was no picnic). Does this kit have issues? of course it does. Time will tell if GW gets it together.

Build Review:

05/27/11

So far I am liking this figure despite the flaws and the messed up gun.

The material loves superglue. A little dab and BAM - part is NOT coming off. Like I said before, paint sticks directly to it. It requires a good washing (had to go back and redo part of the robes - didn't get all the cracks).





Secondly - greenstuff loves the new stuff too. I rebuilt the power cable on top of the staff. The pinholes are gonna need something else though. There used to be a product my Mr Hobby for filling in pinholes in resin (used it when building gundams). I wonder if they still make it





In regards to heat and flexablity: its been mid 80's here and humid. NO change in the model from sitting in my hobby room (which does not have windows and its like a sauna on some days).










This message was edited 6 times. Last update was at 2011/05/27 17:37:56


 
   
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Bonn

Hm. Interesting! Thanks for the review. Im looking to seeing some of these in person.
   
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Decrepit Dakkanaut





Baton Rouge, LA

I understand that these are most likely the exact same molds they used for the metals, but the tabs and posts for 40mm+ bases aren't necessary anymore and I'd like to see them go.

Also, that whole Bad News part makes me feel very "eh" about this.

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Hmm, in this example, one dollar more doesn't seem too bad really but it's still the concept of them raising the price regardless that irks me the most.
   
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Tunneling Trygon





The House that Peterbilt

Also, that whole Bad News part makes me feel very "eh" about this.

Yeah not be able to reshape fiddly bits like that staff could be a deal breaker on a lot of models.

   
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Decrepit Dakkanaut






Madison, WI

would you happen to have one of the old models to compare it to? I'm very curious to see the improvement in the detail.

   
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Fanatic with Madcap Mushrooms







Looking at zooms in pictures, I can see some really bad cast there... sorry

   
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Not there

Err, why is a good chunk of the storm bolter missing?

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Courageous Skink Brave






Southampton

Is this a miscast? There are bits missing from the banner pole?

   
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Not there

Mr Proudhoof wrote:Is this a miscast? There are bits missing from the banner pole?

Also is part of the winged skull's wings if you zoom in.

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Camas, WA

Can we get an 'after' picture? i.e. Assembled at the least.

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Uk

Any chance of a comparison with the original metal model?

I want to see "all the extra detail" the resin version has compared to the metal.

*witty comment regarding table top gaming* 
   
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Decrepit Dakkanaut






Madison, WI

I have to agree with Navarro... zooming in there are a lot of issues with that cast. The staff and arm are especially bad and would take a lot of clean up to make look right.

   
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Drew_Riggio




Russia

and now... imagine all that Incubi and Wracks, thin and not so big, models with HUGE thin weapons...

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Courageous Skink Brave






Southampton

ChiliPowderKeg wrote:
Mr Proudhoof wrote:Is this a miscast? There are bits missing from the banner pole?

Also is part of the winged skull's wings if you zoom in.


Yes, I just noticed that too. Hmmm. Will have to get my hands on one myself. That means venturing into a GW retail store this weekend...

   
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Soft material? yeah thats a deal breaker

Hope more old fools come to their senses and start giving you their money instead of those Union Jack Blood suckers...  
   
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Irked Necron Immortal





Sweden, Stockholm

I would return that figure if I payed for it. there are several noticeable miscasts. The Storm Bolter for one, and also one wing on the winged skull (top of the banner), a chunk of the butt-plate... bubbles everywhere. I'm hoping this is just them learning to cast things properly or even just a failed cast out of a hundred successful ones.

I do want to like this, because I want lighter and softer models, but I'm not going to buy a Hive Tyrant with molten teeth.

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Decrepit Dakkanaut





Baton Rouge, LA

I'm also with Navarro, that's a horrendous cast all told. The right foot, the hole in the eagle's wing, the contact points on the open hand, the storm bolter, etc.

If this is the average for Finecast, I am moving away from "eh" to severely disappointed.

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The miscast bits are pretty bad... I wonder if this is typical, or a freak "bad apple".

If it's typical, there are going to be a lot of returns.

   
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Southampton

Yes, something has gone wrong with this miniature. The back image of the main body shows up the worst of it.

   
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Baton Rouge, LA

Slinky wrote:The miscast bits are pretty bad... I wonder if this is typical, or a freak "bad apple".


Not sure that it's a freak bad apple:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/371720.page#2856689

May be a problem with being the first run and not being used to making them this way yet, though.

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UK, Derbyshire.

I bought a large (9in), winged vampire in "resin" last year (pre-painted ltd edition ornament, cant remember name of manufacturer) and was amazed at the lightness so much that i opened the box in the shop to make sure it wasnt empty. I think it is probably made of the same stuff as i was told it was a "new" type of resin at the time.

   
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Slippery Ultramarine Scout Biker





On Crusade

FRAK!!!!!!!!!!! I went back, this is the best copy of the bunch. I will post pics when he is finished. Check back with me in a couple of days in this thread

 
   
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Foul Dwimmerlaik





Minneapolis, MN

In all the years I have been using Citadel Miniatures, I have never seen miscasts so bad after checking out the closeups in the gallery. In fact, I have seen some bad FW casts and never this bad. Such an amateur attempt by a company doing model making for decades is inexcusable.

Another item I don't think was mentioned is the storm bolter shells were miscast as well.

Frankly, that thing is no less than a hot mess.

No thanks.

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Baton Rouge, LA

I wonder if there's a reason we never got shown Draigo's shield arm in the other Finecast thread...

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That's horribly unfortunate. I'll have to get the scoop from my local store next week after the launch.

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That's some bad cast Harry.

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Foul Dwimmerlaik





Minneapolis, MN

legion4500 wrote:FRAK!!!!!!!!!!! I went back, this is the best copy of the bunch. I will post pics when he is finished. Check back with me in a couple of days in this thread


You've got to be kidding me.

This is bar none, with absolutely no exaggeration or hyperbole, the worst cast miniature have ever seen in my life.

There is not a single separate bit on this miniature that does not lack some issue with air bubbles.

If this is what GW expect their consumers to swallow, I have something else in mind for them to swallow instead. There is no way in hell this will pass muster.

And this was the best of the bunch? I really honestly do fear for the future of GW now. People may miss the crap upon cursory inspection, but once brush touches the model it will become painfully apparent how horribly cast this is.

And the worst part is that this resin miniature is pure waste. It cannot be used to be recast again as this is not the nature of resin, but with metal the mistakes could be recycled.

A complete waste of resources.

 
   
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Philadelphia

Hellfury wrote:
legion4500 wrote:FRAK!!!!!!!!!!! I went back, this is the best copy of the bunch. I will post pics when he is finished. Check back with me in a couple of days in this thread


You've got to be kidding me.

This is bar none, with absolutely no exaggeration or hyperbole, the worst cast miniature have ever seen in my life.

There is not a single separate bit on this miniature that does not lack some issue with air bubbles.

If this is what GW expect their consumers to swallow, I have something else in mind for them to swallow instead. There is no way in hell this will pass muster.

And this was the best of the bunch? I really honestly do fear for the future of GW now. People may miss the crap upon cursory inspection, but once brush touches the model it will become painfully apparent how horribly cast this is.

And the worst part is that this resin miniature is pure waste. It cannot be used to be recast again as this is not the nature of resin, but with metal the mistakes could be recycled.

A complete waste of resources.


And so the rage-machine is stoked back to life!

I'm just glad they haven't gotten around to Vulkan yet. Still need him for my Salamanders.

Oh man. Imagine this this the Wracks...the grotesques... every single 'Finecost' minaiture!

   
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Hellfury wrote:
legion4500 wrote:FRAK!!!!!!!!!!! I went back, this is the best copy of the bunch. I will post pics when he is finished. Check back with me in a couple of days in this thread


You've got to be kidding me.

This is bar none, with absolutely no exaggeration or hyperbole, the worst cast miniature have ever seen in my life.


I've seen worse. At my local GW store a Sauron the Necromancer was returned because it's body looked like High Marshall Helbrecht.

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Total Finecast Models purchased: 30.
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