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If this has the same amount of issues as metals I honestly am reconsidering any thought of purchasing a finecast.

The issue simply is: I know metal, I can deal with metal, I can get extra parts for metal etc.

Finecast however...I can see the exact same amount of issues as metal. It's trading off one set of problems for another. If I do find a perfect cast (like the off chancers I get from FW orders) fantastic, but my hopes aren't up at the moment.

Note I am still going for metals after multiple pinnings for 20 iron warrior CSM conversions over the last 2 days, that is not including the 10 resin-metal conversions using metal meltas on MKIII FW Iron Armour.

Since it is noted how soft the material is, I am suddenly drawn away from the prospect of conversions using finecast resin, the pieces will simply be too buttery to do much work with or support much weight it seems.

If someone else posts a second pic of a six legged dog it is proven that ALL dogs now have six legs...

Is it that you can't say where you got it because this one was maybe supposed to be tossed out?

I'm hoping Eldar recasts are good...

I'm not sure how you can end a review with a model that is *miscast*, with several air bubbles, and a staff that is bent and required a blowdryer and a freezer to straighten, with "Time will tell if this is a good decision or not!" Were you just hesitant to type anything that wasn't cautious optimism?

This should have been the review:

Hey I got this finecast model
It's totally miscast
I sent it back, they will send me a new one
Time will tell if finecast models lend themselves to more miscasts or if this was just a one-time thing, stay tuned!

Ivan Isaaks wrote:If someone else posts a second pic of a six legged dog it is proven that ALL dogs now have six legs...

Four posts in and all you've done is defend Finecost.

Got an investment riding on this or something? A bet, even?

Price change comes into effect Saturday.

The reason he can't say where he got it from is because either he or the person who enabled him to have it would get the sack from GW. Nobody other than GW employees were meant to have seen these yet, when delivered to stores they were meant to go straight out into the store room. Hell, GW staff weren't even allowed to take their staff copies of WD home just in case they left it on the bus or something.

By all accounts this was billed to all as top top top secret, but I guess everything gets out. Just hope nobody else loses their job over it, I know of at least 3 people so far who were given the boot for releasing info early on Finecast.

Ah well.....

Maybe he got it from Russia, which would explain the miscast!

The Decapitator wrote:Hell, GW staff weren't even allowed to take their staff copies of WD home just in case they left it on the bus or something.

One wonders why. I mean, I'd say the greater majority of people wouldn't care if they found it, as they wouldn't know what it was.

Are the White Dwarfs supposed to be embargoed or something? I was flipping through it at the LGS yesterday.

I wasn't really planning on giving GW any of my money after their completely unnecessary price rise anyway, but this pretty much confirms my instinct. With as soft as this resin sounds, I'm afraid I'd break it just with normal use.

No thank you, GW. You were already overpriced. Now you want me to pay more for an inferior product that costs you less to produce? I don't think so.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

The Decapitator wrote:Hell, GW staff weren't even allowed to take their staff copies of WD home just in case they left it on the bus or something.

One wonders why. I mean, I'd say the greater majority of people wouldn't care if they found it, as they wouldn't know what it was.

GW's concerned about all the 'free-loaders' and that they might find their last horcrux: the next WD magazine.

That storm bolter is pretty sad-looking really. But In guess if you weren't going to use it it wouldn't be such a big issue...but if you're paying extra, you should expect better, not the same.

Chrysis wrote:Did the Terminator Librarian always come with a combi-plasma?

Yes, they did.

The Decapitator wrote:By all accounts this was billed to all as top top top secret, but I guess everything gets out. Just hope nobody else loses their job over it, I know of at least 3 people so far who were given the boot for releasing info early on Finecast.

Umm really? They are toy soldiers not state secrets.

infinite_array wrote:

Baiyuan wrote:Having purchased that model under normal circumstances you would just give it back and get one with more than a half stormbolter. So give em back, let GW sort them out.

Until GW realizes they're getting an 'abnormally' large amount of returns, and since this so-called 'resin' can't be melted down like metal, they institute a 'no returns' policy on them.

Well in case anyone is in any doubt I think people should be aware that their customer rights mean that GW *have* to give them a replacement or their money back. Stores can't refuse returns on faulty products it's called the Sale of Goods Act 1979 and basically states that if a product isn't fit for the purpose for which it was sold, ie damaged or otherwise defective, then you are entitled to a return.

That said I don't this will be a problem,GW have always honoured customer rights, it's about the one thing they deliver on. Though it could be a sore point for them should these miscasts be a wider issue.

Though I do recall when they made the switch to lead free metals there seemed to be q lot more miscasts, it's probably down to inexperience with new casting materials the getting things like temperatures and timings right. I don't usually swoop in to defend GW and I've even predicted a rise in miscasts but I would imagine they would address it in time. Assuming of course that it doesn't cause them serious harm.

You have to roll 2d6 refer to the chart on how you should dispose of the model. Refunds are only issued on a natural roll of 36+, no skews.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Ivan Isaaks wrote:If someone else posts a second pic of a six legged dog it is proven that ALL dogs now have six legs...

Four posts in and all you've done is defend Finecost.

Got an investment riding on this or something? A bet, even?

Actually not. I generally just read the forum but I was tired of all the generalizations that were made, so I created an account. The constant whine about everything that is going
wrong is just so tiresome. All the little bad points are blown out of proportion and there is absolutely nothing GW can do right these days. I really like 40k, I don't play it I just buy
the models and paint them. Is it an expensive hobby, sure, but there are plenty of hobbies that are more expensive. I also collect models from Warmachine, Infinity and some Hasselfree
miniatures, but 40K just has that little bit of extra. probably mostly nostalgic, but it's just there.

Do I like price increases? Absolutely not, but it is not as terrible as some people say it is.

Yup, to most they are toy soldiers. Yet when you see the amount of websites such as this which have a dedicated following of people searching for rumours of new releases of said 'Toy Soldiers', you'd be forgiven for mistaking the information was indeed state secrets.

From GW's point of view, they have invested time and money into this project and they want to release it to the world all at once, and provide all the relevant information correctly and in a controlled manner. What they don't want is people posting pictures of a couple of random models of unknown origins which may or may not be representative of the whole Finecast range, and then everyone getting upset and condemning it before they've even given it a chance.

As for the WD issue, I may have been flippant. But I think they may well have been worried that staff member A takes it home, and his friend *borrows* it and then next thing it's up on the net. I believe they are just trying to protect their investment from all sides for the reasons stated above.

And if you hadn't already guessed, I think they do have every right to, at least attempt to anyway.

Surely you can just take the mini back and exchange it for another?

Open it there in the shop to make sure you won't be making a return trip.

I can see it being more difficult for ebay buyers though, if you happen to buy a NIB model that is full of miscasts you would be out of luck.

For the record I like the few metal mini’s I have, the wonder of being able to brain someone from across the room with one cannot be overstated.

The Decapitator wrote:Yup, to most they are toy soldiers. Yet when you see the amount of websites such as this which have a dedicated following of people searching for rumours of new releases of said 'Toy Soldiers', you'd be forgiven for mistaking the information was indeed state secrets.

Well that's largely caused by GW even more cracking down on any sort of preview material to the point where they only publicly release details a week in advance and withhold the subscriber copies of White Dwarf. It's almost a bizarre level of secrecy, like they think that all their problems in the company are caused by a few leaks and if they could only be more secretive and take an almost McCarthyist approach to rooting out people who let the slightest thing out of the bag then they would make a lot more money.

Unlike say Hasbro that attend trade shows and proudly show off almost a year's worth of releases and even hints for future products beyond that.

Mr Proudhoof wrote:

ChiliPowderKeg wrote:

Mr Proudhoof wrote:Is this a miscast? There are bits missing from the banner pole?

Also is part of the winged skull's wings if you zoom in.

Yes, I just noticed that too. Hmmm. Will have to get my hands on one myself. That means venturing into a GW retail store this weekend...

Be wary not to get your hands covered with flash, like the Librarian's

Actually, given that the sprues are already out, I see now problem for Chinese (general, I know) recasters such as Dreambox (caomao on EBay) re-casting these in resin very soon and undercutting the market for the Southern hemisphere.

The quality of caomao's recasts are just as shabby.

Ivan Isaaks wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Ivan Isaaks wrote:If someone else posts a second pic of a six legged dog it is proven that ALL dogs now have six legs...

Four posts in and all you've done is defend Finecost.

Got an investment riding on this or something? A bet, even?

Actually not. I generally just read the forum but I was tired of all the generalizations that were made, so I created an account. The constant whine about everything that is going
wrong is just so tiresome. All the little bad points are blown out of proportion and there is absolutely nothing GW can do right these days. I really like 40k, I don't play it I just buy
the models and paint them. Is it an expensive hobby, sure, but there are plenty of hobbies that are more expensive. I also collect models from Warmachine, Infinity and some Hasselfree
miniatures, but 40K just has that little bit of extra. probably mostly nostalgic, but it's just there.

Do I like price increases? Absolutely not, but it is not as terrible as some people say it is.

You know, I've always had a bit of a problem with people commenting when they don't actually play the game. I don't feel any hostility towards them, but here's the thing: You aren't pressured to buy things when you don't have an army to make. People who solely see GW as a miniature company aren't affected by the price rises, or any of the other problems that have arisen from GW's sales. You get to pick a model that looks good to you, or a unit that you may want to convert and paint. You aren't affected when new Codices are released, when rules are changed, or when staple boxsets (i.e., troops) have their prices increased or are released in such a way that using them becomes a financial burden.

Now, back on topic. I say we wait and see how these Finecost miniatures turn out. Yes, this one may have been shabby, but who knows - perhaps it was just plain back luck, or this first run isn't so great and following runs will be better. At the very least, anyone who buys a poorly formed model should be able to take it back and pick up a new one.

I find it hard to believe that GW would release an entire line of miniatures with miscasts as bad as this model.

I'm going to take the side of "the few we've seen are just bad apples".

infinite_array wrote:

Ivan Isaaks wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Ivan Isaaks wrote:If someone else posts a second pic of a six legged dog it is proven that ALL dogs now have six legs...

Four posts in and all you've done is defend Finecost.

Got an investment riding on this or something? A bet, even?

Actually not. I generally just read the forum but I was tired of all the generalizations that were made, so I created an account. The constant whine about everything that is going
wrong is just so tiresome. All the little bad points are blown out of proportion and there is absolutely nothing GW can do right these days. I really like 40k, I don't play it I just buy
the models and paint them. Is it an expensive hobby, sure, but there are plenty of hobbies that are more expensive. I also collect models from Warmachine, Infinity and some Hasselfree
miniatures, but 40K just has that little bit of extra. probably mostly nostalgic, but it's just there.

Do I like price increases? Absolutely not, but it is not as terrible as some people say it is.

You know, I've always had a bit of a problem with people commenting when they don't actually play the game. I don't feel any hostility towards them, but here's the thing: You aren't pressured to buy things when you don't have an army to make. People who solely see GW as a miniature company aren't affected by the price rises, or any of the other problems that have arisen from GW's sales. You get to pick a model that looks good to you, or a unit that you may want to convert and paint. You aren't affected when new Codices are released, when rules are changed, or when staple boxsets (i.e., troops) have their prices increased or are released in such a way that using them becomes a financial burden.

Now, back on topic. I say we wait and see how these Finecost miniatures turn out. Yes, this one may have been shabby, but who knows - perhaps it was just plain back luck, or this first run isn't so great and following runs will be better. At the very least, anyone who buys a poorly formed model should be able to take it back and pick up a new one.

Very well said.

This is similar to the feelings towards those who apologise for GW's embargo who are not located within the Southern Hemisphere.

legion4500 wrote:
Missed this during the reg review which someone pointed out to me (good eye!): the storm bolter is miscast and missing the whole top half (i used the hand option). GRRRRRRRRR.

This just screams quality product

You know, before I jump on the bandwagon and say that Finecast is the worst thing ever, I'll head down and purchase one so ya'll can see another one. If the quality is poor, we can tell that maybe GW isn't producing these very well. But, honestly, from my honest opinion, it's not bad. It's not great, amazing, fantastic or even good, but it's not bad. Meh.

The stormbolter is a serious issue, but, and this is just a personal feeling, but replacing it with a plastic bit or whatever isn't a huge issue for me. I'm not saying FINECAST IS THE WINZ, but I'd like to give GW the benefit of the doubt before I unanimously judge them. I am slightly worried though, but meh.

Oh, and just because I can, I'll say this. I've had PP models with missing arm parts. Renegade pics to follow up shortly. Is that indicative of ALL PP models? Not really. I'd really rather wait and see for myself.

Cryonicleech wrote:... but I'd like to give GW the benefit of the doubt ...

While I agree that judging an entire line from from some pictures of four different products is a bad start, what exactly has GW done to earn the benefit of the doubt?

Nothing really.

I'd really just rather see a mini up close for myself before finally pushing the button, and while they have not really earned benefit of the doubt, I'd still like to think that Finecast might end up being a decent move for GW.

Hell, at the very least, Ushabti cost less.

infinite_array wrote:

Ivan Isaaks wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Ivan Isaaks wrote:If someone else posts a second pic of a six legged dog it is proven that ALL dogs now have six legs...

Four posts in and all you've done is defend Finecost.

Got an investment riding on this or something? A bet, even?

Actually not. I generally just read the forum but I was tired of all the generalizations that were made, so I created an account. The constant whine about everything that is going
wrong is just so tiresome. All the little bad points are blown out of proportion and there is absolutely nothing GW can do right these days. I really like 40k, I don't play it I just buy
the models and paint them. Is it an expensive hobby, sure, but there are plenty of hobbies that are more expensive. I also collect models from Warmachine, Infinity and some Hasselfree
miniatures, but 40K just has that little bit of extra. probably mostly nostalgic, but it's just there.

Do I like price increases? Absolutely not, but it is not as terrible as some people say it is.

You know, I've always had a bit of a problem with people commenting when they don't actually play the game. I don't feel any hostility towards them, but here's the thing: You aren't pressured to buy things when you don't have an army to make. People who solely see GW as a miniature company aren't affected by the price rises, or any of the other problems that have arisen from GW's sales. You get to pick a model that looks good to you, or a unit that you may want to convert and paint. You aren't affected when new Codices are released, when rules are changed, or when staple boxsets (i.e., troops) have their prices increased or are released in such a way that using them becomes a financial burden.

Now, back on topic. I say we wait and see how these Finecost miniatures turn out. Yes, this one may have been shabby, but who knows - perhaps it was just plain back luck, or this first run isn't so great and following runs will be better. At the very least, anyone who buys a poorly formed model should be able to take it back and pick up a new one.

Not playing does not mean I don' buy codexes (I have 7 of them + 2 versions of the rulebook) or that I do not create armies. I just don't go to the hobby center to actually play. And not playing does not mean that my opinion on this does not count.

infinite_array wrote:You know, I've always had a bit of a problem with people commenting when they don't actually play the game. I don't feel any hostility towards them, but here's the thing: You aren't pressured to buy things when you don't have an army to make. People who solely see GW as a miniature company aren't affected by the price rises, or any of the other problems that have arisen from GW's sales. You get to pick a model that looks good to you, or a unit that you may want to convert and paint. You aren't affected when new Codices are released, when rules are changed, or when staple boxsets (i.e., troops) have their prices increased or are released in such a way that using them becomes a financial burden.

You know, I've always had a problem with this kind of attitude as well.

He doesn't play the game, but does buy and paint the models? He's got just the same right to complain or defend GW as you do. Why? You don't have to buy anything either. You don't have to buy that new codex. You don't have to buy that new rulebook. You don't have to buy those staple box sets. Why? Because you don't have to play Warhammer.

Warhammer is a hobby, something that is not essential in any capacity whatsoever. You want to play it. I get that. But you don't have to play it. he doesn't have to buy models to paint, but he does want to. So while he's not affected by say, a new codex, he is affected by a general price rise. So get off your pedestal. Playing Warhammer rather than buying the models to paint doesn't give you any more valid argument, because he, just like you, loses out to bad quality products and price rises. If he buys a Finecast model with a crater for a head, he's lost out due to bad quality just like you would have.

If he sees something to defend, don't just say he doesn't matter because he only enjoys the hobby aspect rather than the game aspect, because it's a dumb argument. As long as he's buying GW products, just like you, he's got the same right to complain about or defend quality as you do.

Nobody's saying your opinion doesn't count. But even if you do create armies, by not playing you don't have to worry about them being any good, as long as they look good. When they release new rules, to stay competitive you usually have to buy new models. I haven't been playing long enough to have been through an edition change, but I'm dreading 6th coming along and completely changing what units are viable in a list.