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Ok guys i got to see these "Fine" casts with my own eyes and all i can say is they are outright horrible.
The quality is lacking on alot of fronts i'll name them for your convience:

-The sprue thingies have cover alot of areas messing up details.
-Mouldlines are extensively present and close to impossible to properly fix.
-Airbubbles in locations that are close to impossible to properly fix (like on the teeth of a tyranid finecast)
-The resin is not as bendy as the advertise infact it snaps quite easily and is very very fragile.

I'll tell you what happend at our weekly club meeting to give you a experince i had encountered.
A younger gamer bought Comander Dante.
this model had these specific disfuncts (this was straight from the package btw):

-The axe was broken off.
-the intake vents of the jump pack were messed up resin flashes (that's what you call them right) and thus beyond repair.
-a peice of the jump pack was broken off and missing.

I felt realy sorry for the guy after i told him about these things i noticed and helped him pin the axe back onto the figure and repair it the best i could (since he had no proper modeling tools for metalic or resin figures)

So if all "Fine"casts (or fail cast as i prefer to call them) are like this GW is shooting themselfs in their foot with this one.
People are going to complain about the outrageous costs for these models with the utter lack of quality they are promoted to have.

Conclusion:
If there is any model that was originaly casted in metal that you'd realy like to have go out and buy it and stay away from these finecasts untill they either start making them properly or start making plastics.

Also lastly i'v bought a finecast warboss and will be painting that one up at the same time with a old metal casted warboss and will be posting comparision pictures once i get to it.

I'm still waiting to look at some first-hand before I pass judgement. But if what you say is true, I'll come back here and nerdrage with you.

Were there any problems with your finecast warboss? Can you post pictures of the warboss?

The_Hunter wrote:Also lastly i'v bought a finecast warboss and will be painting that one up at the same time with a old metal casted warboss and will be posting comparision pictures once i get to it.

Now THAT's what I've been waiting for.

And thanks for the review. Another dakkaite posted up some closeups of his finecast and based on those, I agree with your assessment. I'll pass thanks.

Grass4hopper wrote:Were there any problems with your finecast warboss? Can you post pictures of the warboss?

Not that i could tell from looking at it from the package i will post pics tommorow as it's abit late right now

Goddard wrote:I'm still waiting to look at some first-hand before I pass judgement. But if what you say is true, I'll come back here and nerdrage with you.

You'll be dissapointed if it's anything like what i saw today not saying all of them might turn out like this but i'v seen 3 different finecasts that all had these problems

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/371719.page

The link above is for some more Finecast fineness.. :(

The_Hunter wrote:
If there is any model that was originaly casted in metal that you'd realy like to have go out and buy it and stay away from these finecasts untill they either start making them properly or start making plastics.

Good thing I play Tau. We don't have anything important currently getting the resin "love"

Unless, y'know love fielding a Sniper Drone wing

And here I was so excited. The Chinese get the resin casting just right every time I order something from Forge World, why can't the Brits get this down?

Jordan wrote:And here I was so excited. The Chinese get the resin casting just right every time I order something from Forge World, why can't the Brits get this down?

Don't they make the minis sold in the US in Memphis now?

warboss wrote:

Jordan wrote:And here I was so excited. The Chinese get the resin casting just right every time I order something from Forge World, why can't the Brits get this down?

Don't they make the minis sold in the US in Memphis now?

I'm pretty sure the GW plastics are made in Memphis, Forge World resin kits are still done in England and, more recently, China.

I could be wrong on that, but I'm almost certain that's the case.

Are most of the new models going to be affected by this? And isnt this stuff carcinogenic or something?

Commisar Von Humps wrote:Are most of the new models going to be affected by this? And isnt this stuff carcinogenic or something?

Only in California

Commisar Von Humps wrote:Are most of the new models going to be affected by this? And isnt this stuff carcinogenic or something?

Has anyone actually seen proof that any resin figs have caused any cancer? Why does every thread on resin have at least one post mentioning it's supposed cancer risk? I am actually serious. I would love to see the published study that everyone (but me) seems to have seen. I have seen some OSHA stuff here in the US but that is for large industrial applications.

Anyway, I am looking forward to actually seeing these figs for myself. I really hope that this doesn't become a "New Coke" kind of financial gaff. If the casts are as bad as we are hearing, this could cost GW millions.

Well guys i couldn't resist not opening that warboss yesterday but i'd have to say i might just go to the store and get a refund as the back pack of the warboss is missing a large chuck becouse airbubble durring the casting process.
I'm shocked they even allowed this to hit the shelves it's that bad.

It makes me think they almost have no quality control on these things at all if any.

Can we get pictures of the Warboss before you take him back?

I'm curious to see how bad it is.

templarboy wrote:

Commisar Von Humps wrote:Are most of the new models going to be affected by this? And isnt this stuff carcinogenic or something?

Has anyone actually seen proof that any resin figs have caused any cancer? Why does every thread on resin have at least one post mentioning it's supposed cancer risk? I am actually serious. I would love to see the published study that everyone (but me) seems to have seen. I have seen some OSHA stuff here in the US but that is for large industrial applications.

Anyway, I am looking forward to actually seeing these figs for myself. I really hope that this doesn't become a "New Coke" kind of financial gaff. If the casts are as bad as we are hearing, this could cost GW millions.

It's not really the resin that causes cancer.

The whole 'resin will kill you!' thing comes from the dust that comes from working with FG models. ANY dust that gets into your lungs is bad for you.

That being said, I don't believe it'll be a problem. From what people have said so far, this new 'Failcost' resin is extremely soft, so dust shouldn't be that much of an issue.

I've not seen a metal miss cast in over 10yrs so this is going to be highly disappointing. The first three finecast mini's I've seen reviewed are all flawed.

The_Hunter wrote:Well guys i couldn't resist not opening that warboss yesterday but i'd have to say i might just go to the store and get a refund as the back pack of the warboss is missing a large chuck becouse airbubble durring the casting process.
I'm shocked they even allowed this to hit the shelves it's that bad.

It makes me think they almost have no quality control on these things at all if any.

I really wouldnt be surprised. Some of the WTF Ive bought over the years from them would agree with you. The worst I bought was a box of boyz. ALL the shootas looked like someone held them under a lighter for 3 minutes, all the bases where half there....yes all bases...but half melted off AND one really unlucky boy didnt roll to well on his Teleyporta roll and was kindda slagged. Another 2ish were a bit messed up but I had bits to replace/cover so they were doable. Tell me how THAt got through?

Grass4hopper wrote:Can we get pictures of the Warboss before you take him back?

I'm curious to see how bad it is.

I made some pics before i returned it just now to get a refund:






Also the stuff feels so fragile that i think it would break in lots of small bits if you accidently dropped it from a table
GW is going to be getting alot of complaints after this saturday when it official goes live.

WOW---- that void is horrible :(

What gets me from all the images I have seen, is that GW did not even bother to "add/FIX" parts from the ORIGINAL metal models that were poor, like areas to thin/weak/etc. (Dantes toe to the base, lol)

It looks like GW just bench-top injected molded from an original metal model from the shelf.

Considering GW models are "handled" after assembly (they are toy soldiers, used in a game) I wonder how GW thinks the "fail-cast" models weapons/banner-poles/etc. are going to hold up on the table-top?

WTF GW?

Have GW simply adapted the metal moulds for the new resin hybrid? Please correct if that is not the case.

If so this is a mistake imho as the detail and quality are likely to be poorer than brand new sculpts designed with the new process in mind.
The latter would be far more likely to have qualities that GW have claimed for Finecast.

To expect such may be optimistic from older moulds and they should not have an inflated cost for such castings.
A more sensible launch would have been to begin with the new sculpts and an explaination that the older ones will be less detailed.

Or just gradually replaced old metals with brand new Finecast.
GW appear to have handled this rather poorly if this is indeed the quality that can be expected.

But what do we know, it is only our hobby. The shareprice is up slightly on last week's close to 434.89 so the shareholders think all is well and dandy.
So it must be okay

All it looks like is that GW has no real grasp of the materials they are using. In the crafting world there are masters and there are apprentices.

GW appears to be trying to get good enough to get an apprenticeship in casting. But yet they attempt to sell models at grand master prices.

This actually bothers me not from a gamer or hobbyist side, but merely looking at the treatment of the art here. These are bad casts, they need to be recast. If they choose not to, then sadly they are disgracing and dishonoring the artists as well as the consumers.

Yes, GW is just using the old molds to cast the new resin. It's on their website someplace. I forget just where I read it, though.


Ghidorah

I believe what they did was to make new moulds adapted for the resin process, from the original master models.

...I keep hearing horror stories of miscasts. This isn't boding too well. And they're not even 'repairable' miscasts.

Admittedly I've gotten one miscast from FW (Winged Hive Tyrant - ENTIRE body was HOLLOW) but they've never pushed themselves as the next big thing. In fact they've often stressed that FW models require more work and care.

I'll see what results are like tomorrow really.

Did you folks really expect GW stuff to be any better than FW?

FW is supposed to be a kind of premium/top quality line for GW, and they still have terrible casts. The stuff looks great when they get it right, but sadly thats not as often as it should be. What Ive seen posted about the new GW minis is about what I expected.

Makes me glad the vast majority of GW stuff I will be buying is plastic. The few others I will either track down in metal or get the similar models from Avatars of War, Scibor, or any of the other companies that do similar lines.

Kilkrazy wrote:I believe what they did was to make new moulds adapted for the resin process, from the original master models.

Yes, GW is just using the old molds to cast the new resin. It's on their website someplace. I forget just where I read it, though.

Ghidorah

This is what I feared.
Seems a poor decision to do this especially when announcing to the world it will bet he best thing since bacon butties.
Then putting the price up.
We know that moulds get worn and tired, losing definition on the castings.

It will be interesting to see the Zoanthropes then. They are only about a year old.

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:
Seems a poor decision to do this especially when announcing to the world it will bet he best thing since bacon butties.

bacon butties???