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Dear YMDC Readers,


Here is something that has been bugging me since starting my Grey Knights.


*As the rules for combat squads are stated, they are set into combat squads when they deploy.
*A squad starting in a Stormraven that is Deep Striking or just on the table for that matter, has not yet deployed.


Therefore, the squad in the Stormraven, can be split into combat squads, when it deploys. Correct?

As it it starting inside a transport/potentially in reserve, it has not yet deployed.



Any thoughts on this beyond that?


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** As an aside, this really works with any vehicle. For my marines, the only dedicated transports I ever used were drop pods and my GK force uses 3 Stormravens as the core to keep up a high mobility.

They would be deploying at the point the stormraven comes onto the board. So they would have to combat squad immediately.

They cannot do this because they are embarked.

Drop pods have a specific exception to this allowing the unit inside to split into combat squads as they disembark.

AS above.
When the Stormraven arrives from reserve, you are embarked so may not combat squad

Scott-S6 wrote:They would be deploying at the point the stormraven comes onto the board. So they would have to combat squad immediately.

They cannot do this because they are embarked.

Drop pods have a specific exception to this allowing the unit inside to split into combat squads as they disembark.

What he said

With that in mind, if the squads purchased rhinos, can half the squad start in the rhinos and the other half in the stormraven? (Combat Squadded)

Zid wrote:

Scott-S6 wrote:They would be deploying at the point the stormraven comes onto the board. So they would have to combat squad immediately.

They cannot do this because they are embarked.

Drop pods have a specific exception to this allowing the unit inside to split into combat squads as they disembark.

What he said

What he said he said


I would say if your wanting to use combat squads drop pods are better for that very reason. However i don't see why you wouldn't just use the stormraven on its own and get the 2 combat squads deployed at the start, stormraven could pick up a squad on the first turn so the squad could be in position by turn 2 if then embarked during turn 1.

The Acolyte wrote:

Zid wrote:

Scott-S6 wrote:They would be deploying at the point the stormraven comes onto the board. So they would have to combat squad immediately.

They cannot do this because they are embarked.

Drop pods have a specific exception to this allowing the unit inside to split into combat squads as they disembark.

What he said

What he said he said


I would say if your wanting to use combat squads drop pods are better for that very reason. However i don't see why you wouldn't just use the stormraven on its own and get the 2 combat squads deployed at the start, stormraven could pick up a squad on the first turn so the squad could be in position by turn 2 if then embarked during turn 1.

I already have marines with drop pods, I've been playing pods since 3rd edition when you had to shell out the big dough to forgeworld (I used to use also use unmanned Deathwinds with assault cannons but people hate those way too much, so I stopped using them).

This is for my GKs though.

Yes, they can start on the board with a combat squad in base contact and another in the rhino, I know that. Thanks though.

You can place them in a storm raven, and 5 in a rhino / elsewhere on the table, HOWEVER you MUST deploy the stormraven; it cannot be in reserve

IdentifyZero wrote:

The Acolyte wrote:

Zid wrote:

Scott-S6 wrote:They would be deploying at the point the stormraven comes onto the board. So they would have to combat squad immediately.

They cannot do this because they are embarked.

Drop pods have a specific exception to this allowing the unit inside to split into combat squads as they disembark.

What he said

What he said he said


I would say if your wanting to use combat squads drop pods are better for that very reason. However i don't see why you wouldn't just use the stormraven on its own and get the 2 combat squads deployed at the start, stormraven could pick up a squad on the first turn so the squad could be in position by turn 2 if then embarked during turn 1.

I already have marines with drop pods, I've been playing pods since 3rd edition when you had to shell out the big dough to forgeworld (I used to use also use unmanned Deathwinds with assault cannons but people hate those way too much, so I stopped using them).

This is for my GKs though.

Yes, they can start on the board with a combat squad in base contact and another in the rhino, I know that. Thanks though.

I don't mean to be patronising or anything by saying things like starting in base contact. I kinda feel like I offended you. Realising most people on this forum know the rules and are probably veteran players. I know alot of them are much better than me so I just advise the simple things that people sometimes forget when they start thinking of new complex lists and tactics.

The Acolyte wrote:

IdentifyZero wrote:

The Acolyte wrote:

Zid wrote:

Scott-S6 wrote:They would be deploying at the point the stormraven comes onto the board. So they would have to combat squad immediately.

They cannot do this because they are embarked.

Drop pods have a specific exception to this allowing the unit inside to split into combat squads as they disembark.

What he said

What he said he said


I would say if your wanting to use combat squads drop pods are better for that very reason. However i don't see why you wouldn't just use the stormraven on its own and get the 2 combat squads deployed at the start, stormraven could pick up a squad on the first turn so the squad could be in position by turn 2 if then embarked during turn 1.

I already have marines with drop pods, I've been playing pods since 3rd edition when you had to shell out the big dough to forgeworld (I used to use also use unmanned Deathwinds with assault cannons but people hate those way too much, so I stopped using them).

This is for my GKs though.

Yes, they can start on the board with a combat squad in base contact and another in the rhino, I know that. Thanks though.

I don't mean to be patronising or anything by saying things like starting in base contact. I kinda feel like I offended you. Realising most people on this forum know the rules and are probably veteran players. I know alot of them are much better than me so I just advise the simple things that people sometimes forget when they start thinking of new complex lists and tactics.

Oh no, you did not offend at all.


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nosferatu1001 wrote:You can place them in a storm raven, and 5 in a rhino / elsewhere on the table, HOWEVER you MUST deploy the stormraven; it cannot be in reserve

That's about the best I will hope for at this point.

3 Stormravens and 3 Rhinos should do the trick.

OK, so this is tangential to the original question, but it makes me realize that I've had a mistaken impression. Are you not allowed to Combat Squad during the deployment phase and then determine the location of each squad? Specifically, is this deployment illegal?

10 Terminators, combat squadded

5 deploy on the field
5 load into the Stormraven

Q: Can you take a Drop Pod with a 10-man squad and
then put a combat squad in it, deploying the other combat
squad on the table, or leave it in reserve but not in the
Drop Pod? (p69)
A: No, because squads that are placed in reserve may not
break down into combat squads.

That is legal

What is illegal is trying to have both or one of the 5 men squads in reserve, as reserve is performed INSTEAD of deploying - and you only CS on deployment

Yeah, sorry I forgot to say that the SR would be in reserve. So yeah, I guess I need to make sure not to do that. I haven't actually done it yet, but as GK I've been keeping my options open on different ways to distribute my squads.

Bludbaff wrote:Yeah, sorry I forgot to say that the SR would be in reserve. So yeah, I guess I need to make sure not to do that. I haven't actually done it yet, but as GK I've been keeping my options open on different ways to distribute my squads.

I concur, I've been finding the best ways to maximize my mobility/placement etc.. without the use of drop pods which I wish GK could use...

I dont mean to jack this tread but i find this is as good a place as any to ask this. I play blood angels and im wondering if i combat squad assault squads do i deep strike them as one unit and then seprate them or do i roll them are two different units?

You deepstrike two different units.

Jidmah wrote:You deepstrike two different units.

Thanks for the fast reply.

Howveer you roll ONCE for the unit to arrive from reserve, as in reserve they are a single unit.