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Anyone know any sort of logic or reason for which models were not pressed into the finecast range? Some of it seems odd to me.

I know more 40k than fantasy, so 40kwise...

Blood Angels - Dante and Astorath got the treatment. One really old, and one new model. Sanguinor, and Seth did not (new models), nor did Mephiston or Tycho.

Chaos Daemons - none of the greater daemons, big metal models that would really benefit from the lighter materials. Same with Epidemius and the Masque, although Skulltaker was given the treatment.

Eldar - Scorpions and Reapers included, Banshees, Hawks and Dragons left behind.

Orks - Painboy included, Meganobz left behind. Tankbustas included, Kommandos left behind.


Is there something anyone can point to about the models that were left out as being a factor, or is it all kind of random?

They probably only have so much manufacturing capacity, and so started with the ones that they believed would sell the best first.

Probably basing their priorities on ones which are most popular, or could be ones which are somehow easier to cast, or could be chance that they've done these particular ones first.

Maybe they have a backlog of some models and see no need to rush into switching them over to finecast.

Or maybe there is some fault with the molds that prevents the conversion.

Probably has to do with which masters were available.

Valkyrie wrote:Probably basing their priorities on ones which are most popular, or could be ones which are somehow easier to cast, or could be chance that they've done these particular ones first.

I think I saw in another thread that GW did only the top 100 selling minis. I would imagine as stocks of the less popular ones run down over time they will be moved to resin as well.

I would have thought making the least popular models in not-so-FineCast would have been the move to try and sell them off better. Tankbustas being the mindset here since they're not that favourable in an Ork army

Also they Finecasted Sniper Drones but not Broadsides

Granted Sniper Drones are all Metal and Broadsides a mix of Plastic XV8 and Metal Broadside bits, but Sniper Drones are no where near as popular as Broadsides.

Sparks wrote:Also they Finecasted Sniper Drones but not Broadsides

Granted Sniper Drones are all Metal and Broadsides a mix of Plastic XV8 and Metal Broadside bits, but Sniper Drones are no where near as popular as Broadsides.

Ever think it might be because Broadsides and XV8s are being redone?

Mad4Minis wrote:I think I saw in another thread that GW did only the top 100 selling minis. I would imagine as stocks of the less popular ones run down over time they will be moved to resin as well.

I cannot believe that Astorath sold more models than Sanguinor, or that Dante sold more than Mephiston. I really have trouble believing that the previously direct-only Ork Painboy was a top-100 seller, while meganobs have been around much much longer and have been available off the shelf. Just doesn't seem to fit that answer.

I'd like to pretend, in the case of the daemons anyway, that the Greater Daemons are getting new models... *rocks back and forth*

Could have been based on models they wanted to sell more of. Perhaps they weren't moving enough painboys so making the model "special" would get it off shelves more.

Or they deliberately choose models they know wouldn't sell big because they couldn't meet the demand of the more popular models.

OR... they took an intern, got him really drunk, blindfolded, spun him around 30 times, and then had him throw darts at a wall of GW pewter models.

OR...........................

Redbeard wrote:

Mad4Minis wrote:I think I saw in another thread that GW did only the top 100 selling minis. I would imagine as stocks of the less popular ones run down over time they will be moved to resin as well.

I cannot believe that Astorath sold more models than Sanguinor, or that Dante sold more than Mephiston. I really have trouble believing that the previously direct-only Ork Painboy was a top-100 seller, while meganobs have been around much much longer and have been available off the shelf. Just doesn't seem to fit that answer.

Meganobs have been around much longer, but how many Ork players do you think really need/want them at this point?
In all likelihood, they probably looked at stock sales and saw that Meganobs basically sit on the shelves. A previously unavailable in shop Ork Painboy with a hilarious Grot Orderly could actually have sold better from their perspective.

Dante and Astorath is a bit of a mystery though. Maybe they've seen a lot more sales of the two than we'd think, with most people doing conversions of Mephiston and Sanguinor?

Flippant response - they rolled a D6.

Personally I think it's almost purely down to chance. Probably going for a mix of classic and 'new' for each army though some armies got next to nothing.

I'll confess I was surprised none of the Greater Daemons got the treatment - they even brought a Mail Order Only model out with it but missed the opportunity for others (like the Verminlord...)

Having expected them to be well prepared and release the whole range of 40k minis, I can only say that the choices seem to be random.

I can only hope that the reason for leaving out Greater Daemons is new versions in the pipeline, the same reason for certain poorly supported marine chapter characters. No Kantor, No Lysander, No Azrael...

Dude from the Metro Centre store said that until the metals that have been withdrawn are sold then no finecast will be produced of that mini. I asked in regards to Lysander, but the principle is the same across the board apparently. Until their metal stock is gone don't expect to see any progress. How many people will be buying metals from the online ordering and how many metals are held in stock? Not many and loads are the respective answers, so nuff luck getting Finecast Lysander.

Can't understand the more recent models which seem to have been given a priority though, if they weren't selling in metal then why would they sell in finecast so it must be a popularity issue.

Yeah, they make no sense to me either. I've said my piece about Techmarines and Thunderfire Cannons in the other thread.

Astroth was sold out when I went to my GW, as wass the libby in terminator armour and the chaplain with a jump pack. And a few more that I can't remember off the top of my head.


In retrospect, I'm blown that they would make finecast Shadowseers and Death Jesters but had no finecast harlequins.

What I find weird with the Tau finecast is that they gave the treatment to the two metal models players probably used least - ethereals and sniper drones. I understand sniper drones are used by some but generally Kroot hounds and Pathfinders are used much more yet stay metal.

ZeroSamurai wrote:What I find weird with the Tau finecast is that they gave the treatment to the two metal models players probably used least - ethereals and sniper drones. I understand sniper drones are used by some but generally Kroot hounds and Pathfinders are used much more yet stay metal.

Lends a bit more credence, actually, to some of the rumors floating around about the Tau Codex. Namely: plastic Pathfinder kits and Kroot Hounds/Krootox recut onto the Kroot frames.

Biovore would like to know why his slowed cousin(the pyrovore) got Finecasted, and not him.

Venomthrope got left too. It'd be really awesome with the whips.

A lot of the models that haven't been put into Finecast yet like the Venomthrope are probably models that didn't sell too well in metal and they're trying to get rid of old stock first. Also, they had to do stuff for every army but don't have the capacity to do everything at once. Give it time.

..So stock up on the metal ones while you can.

Kanluwen wrote:

Sparks wrote:Also they Finecasted Sniper Drones but not Broadsides

Granted Sniper Drones are all Metal and Broadsides a mix of Plastic XV8 and Metal Broadside bits, but Sniper Drones are no where near as popular as Broadsides.

Ever think it might be because Broadsides and XV8s are being redone?

No, because it hasn't been a decade since the last Tau book came out.

Redbeard wrote:

Mad4Minis wrote:I think I saw in another thread that GW did only the top 100 selling minis. I would imagine as stocks of the less popular ones run down over time they will be moved to resin as well.

I cannot believe that Astorath sold more models than Sanguinor, or that Dante sold more than Mephiston. I really have trouble believing that the previously direct-only Ork Painboy was a top-100 seller, while meganobs have been around much much longer and have been available off the shelf. Just doesn't seem to fit that answer.

I can't imagine Scorpions and Reapers selling more than Dragons, either.

ZeroSamurai wrote:What I find weird with the Tau finecast is that they gave the treatment to the two metal models players probably used least - ethereals and sniper drones. I understand sniper drones are used by some but generally Kroot hounds and Pathfinders are used much more yet stay metal.

Yeah, that too. Seems like such a huge waste of both time and money to redo those models when no one has, or ever really had, any reason to use them at all.

A Black Ram wrote:..So stock up on the metal ones while you can.

Yeah...kinda wish I'd bought all the metal incubi I needed. I don't like gambling $40 away on a box of models that has a really good chance of being miscast or just all-around terrible quality.

Brother SRM wrote:A lot of the models that haven't been put into Finecast yet like the Venomthrope are probably models that didn't sell too well in metal and they're trying to get rid of old stock first. Also, they had to do stuff for every army but don't have the capacity to do everything at once. Give it time.

The Venomthrope has these very long snakey arms which I think might be impossible to cast in Finecast, and would probably be too floppy if managed. It would make an excellent mixed media model, as the body is large, heavy and sits very high like the Zoanthrope, making it top heavy. I have three of them. I really like it as a model. It's weird looking, very alien and monstrous.

If it hasn't sold well, that's because it is in the overused Elite slot and gets crowded out by units like Hive Guards and Zoanthropes. Its rules aren't great. The mobile 5+ cover save isn't that great, and its other capabilities are nearly useless.

The top heaviness of the Zoanthrope, Venomthrope and similar models can be cured by switching them to 50mm or 60mm bases.

Have you noticed that most the OP mentioned are not worth wasting the cost of making new moulds for?

Perhaps those need a new master before they are brought into the Failcast generation.

Also, you will notice that the resin transition is to bring forth models which have more detail to show it off.

Epidemius is an embarrassment and whoever sculpted it should be ashamed. Not only this, but the actual assembly is pathetic and requires quite an amount of GS to fill the shockingly large gaps in it. If it gets brought to Finecast, I will be surprised.

I love the image in your signature by the way, lol.

AvatarForm wrote:Epidemius is an embarrassment and whoever sculpted it should be ashamed. Not only this, but the actual assembly is pathetic and requires quite an amount of GS to fill the shockingly large gaps in it. If it gets brought to Finecast, I will be surprised.

But a big selling point is the lack of weight, the ease of assembly and the durability. Yes, there are gaps. There are gaps with most large monsters - even the Azhag I helped put together for the local store had some shocking gaps that required GS. But the thing is insanely lightweight.

To be honest if they had stressed the weight and durability over the 'detail' there would have been a lot less of a backlash! And who knows, Epidemius might be a lot better looking from the Master in resin. Doubtful but it might be a shocking surprise

Sidstyler wrote:I love the image in your signature by the way, lol.

Thanks.

But I got it from a guy on OzPainters. Who got it from a guy on Frothers.

and when you look at the code... it looks as though it was originally made by WaaaghGonads...

But yeh, it looks awesome in my sigs.

That's where I originally saw it... don't know if he actually made it or not, though.

Redbeard wrote:Anyone know any sort of logic or reason for which models were not pressed into the finecast range? Some of it seems odd to me.

I know more 40k than fantasy, so 40kwise...

Blood Angels - Dante and Astorath got the treatment. One really old, and one new model. Sanguinor, and Seth did not (new models), nor did Mephiston or Tycho.

Chaos Daemons - none of the greater daemons, big metal models that would really benefit from the lighter materials. Same with Epidemius and the Masque, although Skulltaker was given the treatment.

Eldar - Scorpions and Reapers included, Banshees, Hawks and Dragons left behind.

Orks - Painboy included, Meganobz left behind. Tankbustas included, Kommandos left behind.


Is there something anyone can point to about the models that were left out as being a factor, or is it all kind of random?

No. there starting from a spot, and going to get to the others when they get thier production issues squared away. Way I see it the resin change was an across the board, so you take a few guys from each range and try a sampling of a few. They have a couple more meeting of the minds and work out the kinks, and get the guys squared away before they deep six anymore of the range. Think of it as a first run of a new figure, only in this case, your first running a whole range and reissuing them in a new medium.


back in the day the change between DVD and Video was along the same par. They had videos, then started issuing out dvd's and videos, then they slowly shut off the videos, now its DVD's to blue rays, and... beyond. No big deal, all I can say is wait awhile. Either they recock and recover the abuse, or get ready for the little engine that could have.

I think they used the dartboard selection method.