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Well its a bit more complecated than that. Its slightly closer to Why would you bother taking smarts over drones when they cant seem to kill anything eather way?

Yes, they both are s5 ap5 but the smarts get two more shots and can shoot over stuff.
Since we live in the age of space marines, do we bother with an expensive upgrade when you proberly will only be able to killone model?

Up to you guys

I just use gundrones, as I know that if I get a weapon destroyed result, then it won't matter. Plus, who doesn't love 2 twin-linked guns, and another one that gets to shoot 2or3 times a phase (sorry, haven't looked at my codex for a while) Give your tank 2 seeker missiles if you have a little bit of leftover points, as they are really fun to blow up captains with

I used to run Warfish (SMS+MT+TA), but post-FAQ it's just gun drones and a multi-tracker. It frees up points for more Kroot and battlesuits.

I've always loved Smart missile system. It is just so convenient to be able to fire anywhere within 24". Warfish can put out nice amount of Dakka and it has been my default choice usually. However, the new FAQ has made DroneFish much more attractive.

Because the 2 gun drones are two weapons, and the SMS is one, making it attractive to aggressive devilfish.

I always go with warfish. It's more expensive but means I don't have to worry about positioning them in LoS.They are safer meaning I can play with less FW squads.

Firing over terrain is very useful. Against SM it won't make a huge difference but against horde armies (the armies i've found tau struggle with) it's very useful. An extra 4(? havent played Tau in a while) S5 isn't bad.

I see. Thw main message im getting is that you guys run the drones when you want to keep points and so you dont really care about weapon destroyed or you run smarts when you want to play around with more high rate of fire and anti swarm?

Shooting through terrain is pretty awesome, you can't argue with that. Plus the SMS has more range (24"vs18"). So thats kinda a big thing

I almost always run cheap Devilfish, with just the D-Pod upgrade. Warfish are just too expensive. Once you get SMS, Multitracker, Target array, D-pod, basically the minimal Warfish loadout, then your cost is right up there with a loaded SM Pred. Problem is the Fish has much less utility than the Pred. Up untill a couple months ago one of the big reasons to take a Warfish was to reduce KPs available, we don't have that problem anymore so now its solely about 'does it do enough damage?'.

Generally I think the points are better spent on suits.

I love warfish. Nothing like sitting on one side of a building and blasting the unit on the other side that can't get to you or shoot you.

agnosto wrote:I love warfish. Nothing like sitting on one side of a building and blasting the unit on the other side that can't get to you or shoot you.

I wish we had some buildings or ruins. Nevermind.

I find taking a regular Devilfish post-FAQ is the way to go. I never felt the extra points justified and the random Pinning Check from the Gun Drones have saved me before.

As others have previously stated, Post FAQ, the DroneFish is the way to go

why, you ask?

1. That transport cost 80 points BASE. I don't know my point equivenlents, but it seems like ALOT of others transports can sport more dakka (AND can let their passengers shoot out) while using less points. I don't see a specific need to up that cost to 120 (multi, targetting array, disruption pod, SMS) while only gaining 2 more shots (not pinning), +1 to my BS, and can fire like a fast vehicle. Ohhhh joy

2. When have you actually counted on your fish to be a firing platform? fish are made to do one thing, survive. Anything else is not-needed and can be better used on something else

3. But I can shoot around cover! Again, so what if your 'fish can fire around cover, it doesn't matter if you are only 'pumping out' 7 BS 4 shots, and heck, how many armies are going to be afraid of that cover save being gone?

The only thing which can justify warfish is that they get an extra 6", which, IMHO, doesn't justify shelling out 20 points for them

Synopis, fine gun, un-optimized firing transport

my 2 cents

mythological wrote:As others have previously stated, Post FAQ, the DroneFish is the way to go

why, you ask?

1. That transport cost 80 points BASE. I don't know my point equivenlents, but it seems like ALOT of others transports can sport more dakka (AND can let their passengers shoot out) while using less points. I don't see a specific need to up that cost to 120 (multi, targetting array, disruption pod, SMS) while only gaining 2 more shots (not pinning), +1 to my BS, and can fire like a fast vehicle. Ohhhh joy

2. When have you actually counted on your fish to be a firing platform? fish are made to do one thing, survive. Anything else is not-needed and can be better used on something else

3. But I can shoot around cover! Again, so what if your 'fish can fire around cover, it doesn't matter if you are only 'pumping out' 7 BS 4 shots, and heck, how many armies are going to be afraid of that cover save being gone?

The only thing which can justify warfish is that they get an extra 6", which, IMHO, doesn't justify shelling out 20 points for them

Synopis, fine gun, un-optimized firing transport

my 2 cents

Shooting around things means they can't shoot me back. Sure you could unhorse your drones and let them fly around the building and shoot but they'd be dead next turn. A weapon that doesn't need LoS to fire beats a drone any day....unless you play with empty tables....

agnosto wrote:

mythological wrote:As others have previously stated, Post FAQ, the DroneFish is the way to go

why, you ask?

1. That transport cost 80 points BASE. I don't know my point equivenlents, but it seems like ALOT of others transports can sport more dakka (AND can let their passengers shoot out) while using less points. I don't see a specific need to up that cost to 120 (multi, targetting array, disruption pod, SMS) while only gaining 2 more shots (not pinning), +1 to my BS, and can fire like a fast vehicle. Ohhhh joy

2. When have you actually counted on your fish to be a firing platform? fish are made to do one thing, survive. Anything else is not-needed and can be better used on something else

3. But I can shoot around cover! Again, so what if your 'fish can fire around cover, it doesn't matter if you are only 'pumping out' 7 BS 4 shots, and heck, how many armies are going to be afraid of that cover save being gone?

The only thing which can justify warfish is that they get an extra 6", which, IMHO, doesn't justify shelling out 20 points for them

Synopis, fine gun, un-optimized firing transport

my 2 cents

Shooting around things means they can't shoot me back. Sure you could unhorse your drones and let them fly around the building and shoot but they'd be dead next turn. A weapon that doesn't need LoS to fire beats a drone any day....unless you play with empty tables....

Do you play with all BLOS terrain? If I need something dead, I'll just shoot markerlights at it then remove its cover save

mythological wrote:

Shooting around things means they can't shoot me back. Sure you could unhorse your drones and let them fly around the building and shoot but they'd be dead next turn. A weapon that doesn't need LoS to fire beats a drone any day....unless you play with empty tables....

Do you play with all BLOS terrain? If I need something dead, I'll just shoot markerlights at it then remove its cover save

fair enough, I usually play with less BLOS terrain (more NOVA format where I game, 1 BLOS terrain in the middle, terrain pieces in each of the table quarters)

I either run a dumbfish (base with just disruption pods) or a warfish (pods, ta, multitracker, SMS) depending on what I'm expecting, I'll toss either seekers or flechettes on them, but rarely.

stock with disruption pods for me (keep the points low to buy more kroot, broadsides, and fireknives)

Ive never taken the flechettes before. The fishs do need some work though. they cant compete with the power outputs of the other transports othe armys can get forcing them to spend a lot of time hiding units behind cover instead of charging them up to objectives and shooting the troops already their full of holes.

Just disruption pods usually, perhaps flechettes if i'm in the mood and/or sensor spines if there's going to be a few battles on terrain-heavy boards.

The critically acclaimed Warfish has been a gigantic letdown for me, so i've given up on them and gone for my tried and tested basic loadout.

I've had mixed results with flachettes myself but try to find points to put them on piranhas at least.

agnosto wrote:I've had mixed results with flachettes myself but try to find points to put them on piranhas at least.

+1

I sometimes put flechettes on my devilfish, the reasoning being that when I'm rushing an objective I can use a little bit of phycology on my opponent, telling him how much more difficult it would be to take out the fish then some tasty suits in the middle of nowhere (who can't threaten his objective)

When somebody DOES charge, it is always great fun rolling those 4+s

I ran the math on the various configurations of Devilfish, and the most point efficient fish is Drones w/ Targeting Array. The small increase in points increases the accuracy enough that you'll get better average points spent per kill. Of course, thats if you actually plan on firing with the fish... if you don't, don't waste the points on the TA.

Endgame wrote:I ran the math on the various configurations of Devilfish, and the most point efficient fish is Drones w/ Targeting Array. The small increase in points increases the accuracy enough that you'll get better average points spent per kill. Of course, thats if you actually plan on firing with the fish... if you don't, don't waste the points on the TA.

There's no point in taking a TA with a drone fish, the TA doesn't help the drones so it only benefits the BC.

agnosto wrote:

Endgame wrote:I ran the math on the various configurations of Devilfish, and the most point efficient fish is Drones w/ Targeting Array. The small increase in points increases the accuracy enough that you'll get better average points spent per kill. Of course, thats if you actually plan on firing with the fish... if you don't, don't waste the points on the TA.

There's no point in taking a TA with a drone fish, the TA doesn't help the drones so it only benefits the BC.

The upgrade is so cheap in comparison to the cost of the Devilfish though, that the 16% increase to accuracy is worth the points spent. Thus the number of kills per point spent on the devil fish increases. Thats only if you're going to fire the Burst Cannon though...

Endgame wrote:

agnosto wrote:

Endgame wrote:I ran the math on the various configurations of Devilfish, and the most point efficient fish is Drones w/ Targeting Array. The small increase in points increases the accuracy enough that you'll get better average points spent per kill. Of course, thats if you actually plan on firing with the fish... if you don't, don't waste the points on the TA.

There's no point in taking a TA with a drone fish, the TA doesn't help the drones so it only benefits the BC.

The upgrade is so cheap in comparison to the cost of the Devilfish though, that the 16% increase to accuracy is worth the points spent. Thus the number of kills per point spent on the devil fish increases. Thats only if you're going to fire the Burst Cannon though...

I see your point.

Fish - D.Pod... 85 points...

It's to keep troops alive. The 2 drones can detach 2 (+ size of base!) and move as jump infantry (thanks FAQ!) so can fly about to contest stuff.


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Fish - D.Pod... 85 points...

It's to keep troops alive. The 2 drones can detach 2 (+ size of base!) and move as jump infantry (thanks FAQ!) so can fly about to contest stuff.