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Hey there guys and gals, gals and guys.
Just got my hands on a Dark Eldar codex and a few models to start up yet another army.
I worked on a rough list for fun games against friends.
But just wondering if it could use any improvements and such.

Anyway, here we go.



HQ:

Urien Rakarth - 190

Haemonculus - 105
w/ Power Weapon, Liquifier Gun & Webway Portal

Haemonculus - 85
w/ Webway Portal

ELITE:

4x Grotesques - 195
Abberation w/ Flesh Gauntlet
S6 Upgrades

3x Grotesques - 160
Abberation w/ Flesh Gauntlet
S6 Upgrades
Raider - 75
w/ Enhanced Aethersails and Flickerfield

TROOPS:

10x Wracks - 110
w/ Liquifier Gun

10x Wracks - 110
w/ Liquifier Gun

10x Wyches - 170
w/ Hydra Gauntlets, Shardnet + Impaler and Haywire Grenades
Hekatrix w/ Agoniser

FAST ATTACK:

10x Scourges - 292
w/ 2x Haywire Blasters and 2x Heat Lances
Solarite w/ Agoniser + Splinter Pistol

HEAVY SUPPORT:

Talos Pain Engine - 105
w/ Ichor Injector

Cronos Pain Engine - 110
w/ Spirit Vortex and Spirit Probe

Ravager - 120
w/ Shock Prod and Flickerfield


Total - 1,752pts


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I'll mainly be playing against Tyranids and Space Wolves.
Both of which are fairly new players, as am I, so the games are going to be fun.

Main plan is to chuck a Haemonculus into the group of Grotesques with the Raider, boost them up the board as quickly as I can and drop the portal.
Then bring out many of the wracks, grotesques and wyches through that onto enemy lines.

Against Nids, I'll probably swap out the wyches for Kabalite Warriors and a Raider so I can dance around the big bugs and wound them to death.

Against Space Wolves, just drop what I can onto his Wolf Guard and slowly pick off what I can with careful assaults and Liquifier Guns.


I'll probably chuck up a more competitive army later on, but for now, this is what I'm working toward.


Thanks in advance everyone.
~ Danzag

I would divide the scourge squad into 2x5. This way you can still shoot at the same target if you wish to, but you can also shoot at two different targets. This way also the haywire blasters can stay at 18-24'' where they excel, and the heatlances can close in to get into melta range.

haizelhoff wrote:I would divide the scourge squad into 2x5. This way you can still shoot at the same target if you wish to, but you can also shoot at two different targets. This way also the haywire blasters can stay at 18-24'' where they excel, and the heatlances can close in to get into melta range.

I had thought of doing that, but didn't split them for some reason.

If I do that, should I cut some points where I can and take another Solarite with an Agoniser, or just have it as a 5 man group of Scourges with a Haywire lBlaster and Heat Lance and no Solarite?

I would take 5 scourges with the solarite and 2 heatlances and another 5 scourages with 2 haywire blasters. The haywire blasters would rather jump around at 24'' and don't need the agoniser.

Ahhk, point noted.
Will re-draw the list up, might swap a few points around to see what else I can fit into the list.
And then I shall repost.

Take the soltar off, then you could afford 2 agonizers on the haemonculi

No, don't put CC weapons on Hammys. That's a bad idea. If hammys get caught in combat, they die, and give up KP. Never give them CC weapons. Liquifiers and gizmos like Crucibles and Shattershards are their friends, not agonizers. I can tell you flat out, without any doubt whatsoever, you have no where near enough anti-tank for 1750. Armored lists WILL destroy you. Never mix shooty gubbins like blasters, heat lances and haywire blasters. Make a choice and stick with it. Mixed units can lead to uncomfortable problems from time to time when some guns are just better than others at a specific range. If you specialize a unit you always know that you have to get the unit to position X to deliver Y damage. Heat Lances are this way. I prefer Haywire blasters on Scourges, but my list is significantly different than yours and no doubt performs differently. In this case, popping out of a portal, I would go with heat lances. As stated earlier, break them into two units of 5. I would drop the Ravager in this case and take another Talos. I also would pull Rakarth out and use those points on more troopers. One final thing of note. You CANNOT deploy the turn you use Aethersails. This is bad for a webway list. You need it on the board ASAP. If you use Aethersails your opponent now has a decent chance at wiping your hammys out leaving you slogging from a table edge.

Grim Smasha wrote:No, don't put CC weapons on Hammys. That's a bad idea. If hammys get caught in combat, they die, and give up KP. Never give them CC weapons. Liquifiers and gizmos like Crucibles and Shattershards are their friends, not agonizers. I can tell you flat out, without any doubt whatsoever, you have no where near enough anti-tank for 1750. Armored lists WILL destroy you.

I was thinking of taking a Shattershard for the lols it could bring to the table if I roll well enough.
As for the anti-tank, I pretty much realised this when I re-read the list earlier today.
I'm trying to decide what to drop to fit something else killy enough to pop tanks.

Grim Smasha wrote:Never mix shooty gubbins like blasters, heat lances and haywire blasters. Make a choice and stick with it. Mixed units can lead to uncomfortable problems from time to time when some guns are just better than others at a specific range. If you specialize a unit you always know that you have to get the unit to position X to deliver Y damage. Heat Lances are this way. I prefer Haywire blasters on Scourges, but my list is significantly different than yours and no doubt performs differently. In this case, popping out of a portal, I would go with heat lances. As stated earlier, break them into two units of 5.

I will be putting them into two separate units when I re-write the list.
Thanks for putting it into some sort of perspective

Grim Smasha wrote:I would drop the Ravager in this case and take another Talos.

If I take another Talos, should I try to kit it out to pop armour?

Grim Smasha wrote:I also would pull Rakarth out and use those points on more troopers.

I might end up doing this if the S6 upgrade and/or extra pain tokens don't help as much as I'd like.
Might put in a small unit of Trueborn in his place.

Grim Smasha wrote:One final thing of note. You CANNOT deploy the turn you use Aethersails. This is bad for a webway list. You need it on the board ASAP. If you use Aethersails your opponent now has a decent chance at wiping your hammys out leaving you slogging from a table edge.

Ahhh yes, I forgot about that.
Will take the Aethersails off the raider then when I re-do the list.


Thanks for all the pointers.
Will take many of them into consideration

All talos units should be kitted to take out enemy armor. They're mc's thus will always be decent in cc against infantry models. I'd stick with heat lances, if they can get them, I don't have my book and I don't know their options off hand. The shattershatd is pure gold. Make a toughness test or get removed from play = awesome sauce.

Yeah, the Talos can take a Twin-Linked Heat Lance or Stinger Pod or Haywire Blaster.
I might see if I can magnetise the tail of it so I can switch when needed.

And yeah, Shattershard it is, I want to see a Swarmlord go down to it haha.

To be honest, I run a Pretty Much all Coven list, And I'm not a huge fan of this list, in my opinion WWP and Scourges don't work, why take 22 a model for something you can get better for in a trueborn squad? 5 mad Scourge squad with 2 heatlances is 132 Points (Don't have my codex to hand, sorry about any wrong pointing) and are very fragile and must be close to the enemy. which makes them a wide open week target. And then of course, you have the solarite, which I would never take even if I did take scourges. extra points wasted. It'd be better to put a unit of 4 trueborn with 4 blasters in a raider for 178 points, yes it 44 points more expensive, but you get 3 extra str 8 lance weapons which work better at range. Scourges come out 66 points a lance, trueborn workout 35 points, you can see where the saving is for AT capability. Personally I don't like Talos' either, there better than Cronos by a long shot though, I recommend either replacing both The talos and Cronos and taking more Ravagers, or replacing the cronos for a Talos, and kit both talos' out for AT, Cronos' don't work in Coven list because you already have feel no pain, and most units will be getting their own pain tokens by the time the cronos is in reach of anyone. CC weapons on wracks and Haemonculi, not the best. I like my Wracks to be little and cheap, with a liquifier, and they don't cost much and still do damage. and Haemonculi shouldn't be in the thick of it, they are kills points you don't want to lose. Grotesques not my thing either, I know you go for a coven list, but they don't really have a role, beside take fire like beasty's they are, because they don't do enough damage, they're not quite infantry, and not quite MC, Just a waste of Points and Space in my opinion.
Hope you Take My Views into Account
DEraiderspam

Deraiderspam wrote:To be honest, I run a Pretty Much all Coven list, And I'm not a huge fan of this list, in my opinion WWP and Scourges don't work, why take 22 a model for something you can get better for in a trueborn squad? 5 mad Scourge squad with 2 heatlances is 132 Points (Don't have my codex to hand, sorry about any wrong pointing) and are very fragile and must be close to the enemy. which makes them a wide open week target. And then of course, you have the solarite, which I would never take even if I did take scourges. extra points wasted. It'd be better to put a unit of 4 trueborn with 4 blasters in a raider for 178 points, yes it 44 points more expensive, but you get 3 extra str 8 lance weapons which work better at range. Scourges come out 66 points a lance, trueborn workout 35 points, you can see where the saving is for AT capability. Personally I don't like Talos' either, there better than Cronos by a long shot though, I recommend either replacing both The talos and Cronos and taking more Ravagers, or replacing the cronos for a Talos, and kit both talos' out for AT, Cronos' don't work in Coven list because you already have feel no pain, and most units will be getting their own pain tokens by the time the cronos is in reach of anyone. CC weapons on wracks and Haemonculi, not the best. I like my Wracks to be little and cheap, with a liquifier, and they don't cost much and still do damage. and Haemonculi shouldn't be in the thick of it, they are kills points you don't want to lose. Grotesques not my thing either, I know you go for a coven list, but they don't really have a role, beside take fire like beasty's they are, because they don't do enough damage, they're not quite infantry, and not quite MC, Just a waste of Points and Space in my opinion.
Hope you Take My Views into Account
DEraiderspam

As much as I do agree here and there on your ideas.

I don't really see the point of doing a Haemonculi Coven list, if I were to remove both Talos, all Grotesques and some Wracks and replace most of them with either Wyches/Trueborn in Raiders... It kinda kills the overall theme of the army.
I understand that this wont be a hugely competitive army, but I'm not making the list to slaughter everything before me, if I was going to that, I'd just do the usual.
Take a bunch of raiders/venoms filled with Trueborn/Kabalite Warriors, a few Wych squads in Raiders/Venoms and 3 Ravagers for the HS slot and then whatever else for the rest.

You make some valid points, but they're kind of moot because I do just want to run basically a full Haemonculus and friends list for fun and the look of it.

:Edit:

Also, I'm not really doing this list because I think it will win.
It's mainly because I love the new grotesques and wrack models.
And i'm doing Dark Eldar for my FLGS' upcoming Armies On Parade.

You must have a huge sum of expendable income if you plan on purchasing an army just for show I'm boiling slightly with envy the thought of what wracks cost, especially on Aussie-land, makes me cringe. A few things; was the wwp a must? Do you plan on growing into 2k? Do you mind losing Urien? Can i offer a suggestion Coven list for 2k?

Grim Smasha wrote:You must have a huge sum of expendable income if you plan on purchasing an army just for show I'm boiling slightly with envy the thought of what wracks cost, especially on Aussie-land, makes me cringe.

Hahaha, not so much "expendable income" as much as, I can stand sit and wait till I work up the money to get it all as a large bundle after a week or three of work.

Grim Smasha wrote:A few things; was the wwp a must? Do you plan on growing into 2k? Do you mind losing Urien? Can i offer a suggestion Coven list for 2k?

The WWP is mainly just a substitute for me really not wanting to go the way of most lists with a raider/venom for EVERY squad. I may eventually pick up a few Raiders/Venoms in the future if I do plan on doing a competitive style list. But that's still a maybe.

Urien is mainly there for theme and I will have him regardless for the AoP I'm doing.
Otherwise, I can stand to drop him from the list.

And sure, I'm pretty open to any suggestions people have.

Using only the models that you listed above, going for theme and a little functionality, I've come up with this.

HQ:
Haemonculus, Webway, Liquifier (95)
Haemonculus, Webway, Liquifier (95)

TROOPS:
Wracks x10, Liquifier x2, Acothyst, Agonizer (150)
Wracks x10, Liquifier x2, Acothyst, Agonizer (150)
Wracks x5, Liquifier, Venom w/Dual cannons (125)
Wracks x5, Liquifier, Venom w/Dual cannons (125)
Wracks x5, Venom w/Dual cannons (115)

ELITES:
Grotesques x4, Raider w/Flickers (210)
Grotesques x4, Raider w/Flickers (210)

FAST:
Scourges x5, Haywire Blaster x2 (130)
Scourges x5, Haywire Blaster x2 (130)
Scourges x5, Haywire Blaster x2 (130)

HEAVY:
Talos, TL-Heat Lance (110)
Talos, TL-Heat Lance (110)
Talos, TL-Heat Lance (110)

TOTAL: 1995

Hammy's go with the grots, scoot up 12", hop out max, drop the wwp out front. The scourges glance primary vehicles like vindicators and LRBTs. The Wracks in venoms blast lootas and fangs. The rest pop out of the wwps and mess stuff up. It looks. . .alright. . .I suppose.

But, this is closer to what I would run at this level while still achieving high functionality.

HQ:
Haemonculus, Liquifier, Crucible (80)

TROOPS:
Wracks x5, Liquifier, Venom w/Dual Cannons (125)
Wracks x5, Liquifier, Venom w/Dual Cannons (125)
Wracks x5, Liquifier, Venom w/Dual Cannons (125)
Wracks x5, Liquifier, Venom w/Dual Cannons (125)
Wracks x5, Liquifier, Venom w/Dual Cannons (125)
Wracks x5, Liquifier, Venom w/Dual Cannons (125)

ELITES:
True Born x4, Blasters x4, Raider w/Flickers (178)
True Born x4, Blasters x4, Raider w/Flickers (178)
True Born x4, Blasters x4, Raider w/Flickers (178)

FAST:
Scourges x5, Haywire Blaster x2 (130)
Scourges x5, Haywire Blaster x2 (130)

HEAVY:
Ravager w/ Flickers (115)
Ravager w/ Flickers (115)
Ravager w/ Flickers (115)

TOTAL: 1959

There's plenty of cannon fire all over the place. Tons of saturation. And, it pretty much fits the coven theme. You could even model the True Born like slaves or something.