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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/06/06 15:31:07
Subject: What would you change in the Imperium of Man if you had the power?
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Resolute Ultramarine Honor Guard
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I would first make changes to the Space Marines and raise the number of chapters from 1000 to 10.000. I would have 10.000 Grey knights. I would commission that every Imperial world contribute at least 5 Imperial Guard Regiments in a state of serious threat ( like Tyranid invasion ). And in addition to that, a decree to how Imperial Guardsman must be trained ( example taken from Cadian, Catachan, Mordian, Vostroyan and Krieg Guardsman ). Every convict in the Imperium would be given to Mars to become a weapon servitor or Skitarii. And I would give Land Raiders to Guard Regiments. General public would be given rights to question their Governors. Next, i would try to press Mechanicus to modify or upgrade as much as possible all available tech, and to give every forge world the STC copy they have. I know that this is wild imagination, and that I would be killed to even suggest the first one. But no matter. What would you do?
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For Emperor and Imperium!!!!
None shall stand against the Crusade of the Righteous!!!
Kanluwen wrote: "I like the Tau. I just don't like people misconstruing things to say that it means that they're somehow a huge galactic threat. They're not. They're a threat to the Imperium of Man like sharks are a threat to the US Army."
"Pain is temporary, honor is forever"
Emperor of Mankind:
"The day I have a sit-down with a pansy elf, magic mushroom, or commie frog is the day I put a bolt shell in my head."
in your name it shall be done"
My YouTube channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/2SSSR2
Viersche wrote:
Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
the Emperor might be the greatest psyker that ever lived, but he doesn't have the specialized training that a Grey Knight has. Also he doesn't have a Grey Knight's unshakable faith in the Emperor.
The Emperor doesn't have a GKs unshakable faith in the Emperor which is....basically himself?
Ronin wrote:
"Brother Coa (and the OP Tadashi) is like, the biggest IoM fanboy I can think of here. It's like he IS from the Imperium, sent back in time and across dimensions."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/06/06 16:57:20
Subject: What would you change in the Imperium of Man if you had the power?
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Allowing the populace to question their governors would be ludicrous. It may seem harsh but The Imperium has survived because of it uncompromising nature.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/06/06 17:08:24
Subject: What would you change in the Imperium of Man if you had the power?
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Brother Coa wrote:I would first make changes to the Space Marines and raise the number of chapters from 1000 to 10.000.
And thus you doom the Imperium of Man to another Horus Heresy.
Brother Coa wrote:I would have 10.000 Grey knights.
Which means that the daemonic forces rise up in force to meet this threat across the galaxy.
Brother Coa wrote:I would commission that every Imperial world contribute at least 5 Imperial Guard Regiments in a state of serious threat ( like Tyranid invasion ).
They already basically do that, I think?
Brother Coa wrote:And in addition to that, a decree to how Imperial Guardsman must be trained ( example taken from Cadian, Catachan, Mordian, Vostroyan and Krieg Guardsman ).
They... already do that to an extent.
Brother Coa wrote:Every convict in the Imperium would be given to Mars to become a weapon servitor or Skitarii.
Define convict? Someone can be convicted of grafiti for spraypainting an Aquila on the wall of a building. Would you send such loyal citizens, even gangers, to become servitors for expressing their loyalty, no matter how foolhardy they were?
Brother Coa wrote:And I would give Land Raiders to Guard Regiments.
That might be appropriate, but it's hard enough to make them for the Marines alone, nevermind for all the various guard regiments.
Brother Coa wrote:General public would be given rights to question their Governors.
And thus the Imperium turns into anarchy and rebellion.
Brother Coa wrote:Next, i would try to press Mechanicus to modify or upgrade as much as possible all available tech, and to give every forge world the STC copy they have.
They do try this, but they do it slowly, carefully, with lots and LOTS of testing.
Brother Coa wrote:I know that this is wild imagination, and that I would be killed to even suggest the first one. But no matter. What would you do?
Me?
-- I would put the Marines under stricter watch for chaos taint.
-- The Sisters of Battle would be expanded, and work more closely with the Guard as an armored tip of the spear for their attacks, especially urban battles where their power armor and close ranged weapons make the most use, lor with the Marines if there are no Guard, giving them more long ranged weapons so they can hold the line while Marines make strikes behind enemy lines.
-- Return Ultramar to its rightful rulers-- humanity-- instead of the Astartes.
-- I would try to increase the presence of artificial wombs across the Imperium, so that pregnancies did not hinder the ability of the workforce or military forces as much.
-- Kill Chenkov for incompetence.
-- Train Commissars to be harsh but fair, as opposed to simply harsh. Earning the trust of the soldiers under them is important to maintain morale-- fear is a useful tool... but as Macharius said, the greatest weapon the Imperium has is human courage.
-- Entice the Mechanicus and Ecclesiarchy to make up so that they could, over time, form a better union, thus further uniting the Imperium and Mechanicus.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/06/06 18:36:11
Subject: What would you change in the Imperium of Man if you had the power?
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Resolute Ultramarine Honor Guard
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Melissia wrote:Brother Coa wrote:I would first make changes to the Space Marines and raise the number of chapters from 1000 to 10.000.
And thus you doom the Imperium of Man to another Horus Heresy.
No. Who is to say that they would rebel? And back then we didn't have the Inquisition to watch over them. Corruption is still possible, but with some measures - it can work.
Melissia wrote:Brother Coa wrote:I would have 10.000 Grey knights.
Which means that the daemonic forces rise up in force to meet this threat across the galaxy.
I thought that Chaos Daemons are already fighting in force. And who is to say that they would notice that 9.000 Grey Knights?
Melissia wrote:Brother Coa wrote:I would commission that every Imperial world contribute at least 5 Imperial Guard Regiments in a state of serious threat ( like Tyranid invasion ).
They already basically do that, I think?
If EVERY world in Imperium does that, Impeirum would be in much, much better position - it would have troops to spare. 80% of Imperium worlds are in peace, of that 80% only up to 5% are sending troops.
Melissia wrote:Brother Coa wrote:And in addition to that, a decree to how Imperial Guardsman must be trained ( example taken from Cadian, Catachan, Mordian, Vostroyan and Krieg Guardsman ).
They... already do that to an extent.
Then why people think of Guardsman like undisciplined, lowmoral scumbags? If every world is training their solders like Cadians - there would be much better Guardsman.
Melissia wrote:Brother Coa wrote:Every convict in the Imperium would be given to Mars to become a weapon servitor or Skitarii.
Define convict? Someone can be convicted of grafiti for spraypainting an Aquila on the wall of a building. Would you send such loyal citizens, even gangers, to become servitors for expressing their loyalty, no matter how foolhardy they were?
I would made him a servitor for spraying an Aquila. Everybody must respect the sing of the Emperor. As for others - why need prison planet when you have so many aliens, mustants and heretics out there? Penal legion is not the answer and AM could always use another skitarii.
Melissia wrote:Brother Coa wrote:And I would give Land Raiders to Guard Regiments.
That might be appropriate, but it's hard enough to make them for the Marines alone, nevermind for all the various guard regiments.
The Land Raiders where used by the Guard earlier. Then the Emperor restricted it's use only for Astartes ( that was shortly before the Siedge of Terra ). And from that moment on - who dared to define his holly word?
Melissia wrote:Brother Coa wrote:General public would be given rights to question their Governors.
And thus the Imperium turns into anarchy and rebellion.
Ok, maybe not that. Maybe only option to report them to Inquisition for tyranny, heresy, incompetence etc... In Imperium you have to much Governors who think only for themselves.
Melissia wrote:Brother Coa wrote:Next, i would try to press Mechanicus to modify or upgrade as much as possible all available tech, and to give every forge world the STC copy they have.
They do try this, but they do it slowly, carefully, with lots and LOTS of testing.
Well they need to sped it up a little, it's not like that Imperium have time... And they have so many research worlds. They could put them to 100% research capacity.
Melissia wrote:Brother Coa wrote:I know that this is wild imagination, and that I would be killed to even suggest the first one. But no matter. What would you do?
Me?
-- I would put the Marines under stricter watch for chaos taint.
I agree, I would implement more chaplains per chapter. At least 1 per company to watch over heresy. Or add some new kind of agents into the Astartes homeworlds to oversee the situation...
-- The Sisters of Battle would be expanded, and work more closely with the Guard as an armored tip of the spear for their attacks, especially urban battles where their power armor and close ranged weapons make the most use, lor with the Marines if there are no Guard, giving them more long ranged weapons so they can hold the line while Marines make strikes behind enemy lines.
They are after all daughters of the Emperor. They are made for Crusades and conquest. It makes perfect sense for Guard and Sisterhood to be almost equal in numbers.
-- Return Ultramar to its rightful rulers-- humanity-- instead of the Astartes.
Why when ultramarines are doing a great job? It's not like they are rebels or something ( like BT ).
-- I would try to increase the presence of artificial wombs across the Imperium, so that pregnancies did not hinder the ability of the workforce or military forces as much.
Reasonable. I agree.
-- Kill Chenkov for incompetence.
The smartest thing I ever heard here...
-- Train Commissars to be harsh but fair, as opposed to simply harsh. Earning the trust of the soldiers under them is important to maintain morale-- fear is a useful tool... but as Macharius said, the greatest weapon the Imperium has is human courage.
Yes. We definitely need more commissars like Gaunt and Yarric. Why execute people when you can lead them with your own example and valor. And in the last year of 41' st millennium - even Guardsman life is becoming precious.
-- Entice the Mechanicus and Ecclesiarchy to make up so that they could, over time, form a better union, thus further uniting the Imperium and Mechanicus.
That would be a little hard because religion ( like trying to make Christians and Muslims to entice together ). But it is a good idea, even if her chance is 0.002% of success.
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For Emperor and Imperium!!!!
None shall stand against the Crusade of the Righteous!!!
Kanluwen wrote: "I like the Tau. I just don't like people misconstruing things to say that it means that they're somehow a huge galactic threat. They're not. They're a threat to the Imperium of Man like sharks are a threat to the US Army."
"Pain is temporary, honor is forever"
Emperor of Mankind:
"The day I have a sit-down with a pansy elf, magic mushroom, or commie frog is the day I put a bolt shell in my head."
in your name it shall be done"
My YouTube channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/2SSSR2
Viersche wrote:
Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
the Emperor might be the greatest psyker that ever lived, but he doesn't have the specialized training that a Grey Knight has. Also he doesn't have a Grey Knight's unshakable faith in the Emperor.
The Emperor doesn't have a GKs unshakable faith in the Emperor which is....basically himself?
Ronin wrote:
"Brother Coa (and the OP Tadashi) is like, the biggest IoM fanboy I can think of here. It's like he IS from the Imperium, sent back in time and across dimensions."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/06/06 18:42:31
Subject: What would you change in the Imperium of Man if you had the power?
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Renegade Inquisitor de Marche
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Restrict Astartes freedom. Train more guard regiments. Allow alliances with possibly friendly aliens. Train more SoB. Shoot all incompetent or wasteful commanders. And pretty much all of what Melissia said...
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Dakka Bingo! By Ouze
"You are the best at flying things"-Kanluwen
"Further proof that Purple is a fething brilliant super villain " -KingCracker
"Purp.. Im pretty sure I have a gun than can reach you...."-Nicorex
"That's not really an apocalypse. That's just Europe."-Grakmar
"almost as good as winning free cake at the tea drinking contest for an Englishman." -Reds8n
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/06/06 18:47:45
Subject: What would you change in the Imperium of Man if you had the power?
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Consigned to the Grim Darkness
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Brother Coa wrote:If EVERY world in Imperium does that, Impeirum would be in much, much better position - it would have troops to spare. 80% of Imperium worlds are in peace, of that 80% only up to 5% are sending troops.
Sources?
Keep in mind, that five regiments isn't actually all that much. That's roughly 5000 soldiers or so? ~50 per platoon, platoons per company, 5 companies per regiment... yeah, just above 1000 soldiers per regiment for most regiments. I very much imagine that the basic yearly tithes of most Imperial worlds includes that many soldiers.
Brother Coa wrote:Then why people think of Guardsman like undisciplined, lowmoral scumbags?
Because the internet is collectively stupid, even if its individuals aren't.
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The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/06/06 18:48:56
Subject: What would you change in the Imperium of Man if you had the power?
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Renegade Inquisitor de Marche
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Collective stupidity is a pretty accurate term...
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Dakka Bingo! By Ouze
"You are the best at flying things"-Kanluwen
"Further proof that Purple is a fething brilliant super villain " -KingCracker
"Purp.. Im pretty sure I have a gun than can reach you...."-Nicorex
"That's not really an apocalypse. That's just Europe."-Grakmar
"almost as good as winning free cake at the tea drinking contest for an Englishman." -Reds8n
Seal up your lips and give no words but mum.
Equip, Reload. Do violence.
Watch for Gerry. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/06/06 19:00:38
Subject: What would you change in the Imperium of Man if you had the power?
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I would change the title of the Emperor's Golden Throne to The God-Emperor's Shiny Poo Collector... though in all seriousness, i Deffinitely agree with Killing Chenkov. Though i think the Adeptus Mechanicus needs to change a little. Allowing themselves more of a presence in the operations of the Imperium. If there was an Enginseer within Every Guardsman motor pool, and if they supported the crews of Atlus' and of other general support vehicles within the Imperium. I could imagine the armor of the SM and the IG being wholly improved with the superior knowledge of the workings of each unit that the Techpriests possess. I would also like to change the Dislike of of actual combat that the Adeptus Mechanicus have. I understand their pure calculating minds are not fit for the instinctual affair of combat. Though the many Servitors they generally have in tow with them can support troops in CC with the inhuman strength these mindless beasts have. Along with the Techpriest's servo-harnesses which are purely powerful mechanical arms able to crush enemies with ease. I think a Mechanicus specialized combat force could be an interesting change to the typical canon.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/06/06 19:04:22
Subject: What would you change in the Imperium of Man if you had the power?
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I would increase the training and equipment of IG. Some Planets produce useful IG (cadia, catachan, ect..) but others really need improving- just giving a guy a lasgun isn't enough. I would make clear sending in the next wave is not a viable tactic. Trench warfare is outdated and was stopped for a reason. Guard need to be more like cadians or elysians.
Put pressure on planets to improve human rights. People won't turn to chaos or run off to the Tau if they are happy on their planet.
Create training facilities similar to Schola Progenium on many military planets. Why do we just use orphans? -Other people are just as good. SM are too expensive to mass produce but storm troopers are possible. Give them equipment between IG and SM. Stick to Hellguns (bolters are too hard to produce) and possibly low grade power armour.
Stop attacking the Eldar and Tau . We don't have to be friendly but if they ignore us don't attack them. The Orks, Nids and Necrons are the real threats. Try and make a deal with them (only short term of course) so we stop killing each other for enough time to ensure that we can beat bigger threats. Make sure humans don't do anything to cause any wars.
Turn the prisons into factories. Some prisoners will make good soldiers but most will be more useful doing other kinds of work- making ammunition or food.
Restrict the Ecclesiarchy. Take the SoB out of their control, and give them to the Ordo Hereticus or join them to the IG. Too many of the imperial priests are a liablilty. We don't need people purging our own planets or attacking loyal SMs. The only military for the ecclesiarchy should have is defense forces for their shrineworlds.
Make the Ordo Malleus relax about using chaos slightly. Chaos is bad but is a very useful weapon against nids or necrons. Currrently tyranids are a bigger threat than daemons. If the daemons get a world they aren't any more powerful. Each world the nids eat makes them harder to beat. Summoning daemons onto a world about to be eaten by the tyranids will make it easier to beat them in the future.
Change the anti tyranid tactics. Target the Nids and make sure they are destroyed. Many times they have been pushed to the edge but the IoM always pulls back giving them time to regrow. Target one hive fleet at a time and exterminate it completely. When fighting nids use a combination of many regiments and SM and keep changing so they can't adapt.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/06/06 19:13:01
Subject: What would you change in the Imperium of Man if you had the power?
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Consigned to the Grim Darkness
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4M2A wrote:Restrict the Ecclesiarchy. Take the SoB out of their control, and give them to the Ordo Hereticus or join them to the IG. Too many of the imperial priests are a liablilty. We don't need people purging our own planets or attacking loyal SMs. The only military for the ecclesiarchy should have is defense forces for their shrineworlds.
They already are restricted. The Sisters exist not just as the Ecclesiarchy's sword-arm, but also to monitor and regulate it to ensure no one individual becomes too powerful. Removing Sisters from the Ecclesiarchy would actually potentially create opportunity for abuse because of this. I agree with having Sisters tied more to the Guard, though, but only in the sense that Sisters need to cooperate with them more often, along iwth ahving more Sisters in general so they can make a bigger impact. Make the Ordo Malleus relax about using chaos slightly. Chaos is bad but is a very useful weapon against nids or necrons.
No. This would be stupid. The reason they say Chaos isn't to be used is because Chaos really is that insidious. Just being around chaos artefacts can change a person's personality drastically. Being around the symbols and artefacts of long enough can make those changes permanent. Eventually, one begins to worship Chaos without knowing it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/06/06 19:28:08
Subject: What would you change in the Imperium of Man if you had the power?
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Resolute Ultramarine Honor Guard
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Melissia wrote:Sources?
Keep in mind, that five regiments isn't actually all that much. That's roughly 5000 soldiers or so? ~50 per platoon, platoons per company, 5 companies per regiment... yeah, just above 1000 soldiers per regiment for most regiments. I very much imagine that the basic yearly tithes of most Imperial worlds includes that many soldiers.
I do not have any readable source on that. One guy told me that on Dakka when i ask how is so that Imperium lack manpower when they have around 1 million planets? I think it was Kalumvel ( spell the name wrong ) that told me that 80% of Imperium planets are not at war. And most of those planets just pay tithe and nothing else.
As for regiments, it is stated in codex that 1 Guard Regiment number from 6 - 12.000 Guardsman.
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For Emperor and Imperium!!!!
None shall stand against the Crusade of the Righteous!!!
Kanluwen wrote: "I like the Tau. I just don't like people misconstruing things to say that it means that they're somehow a huge galactic threat. They're not. They're a threat to the Imperium of Man like sharks are a threat to the US Army."
"Pain is temporary, honor is forever"
Emperor of Mankind:
"The day I have a sit-down with a pansy elf, magic mushroom, or commie frog is the day I put a bolt shell in my head."
in your name it shall be done"
My YouTube channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/2SSSR2
Viersche wrote:
Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
the Emperor might be the greatest psyker that ever lived, but he doesn't have the specialized training that a Grey Knight has. Also he doesn't have a Grey Knight's unshakable faith in the Emperor.
The Emperor doesn't have a GKs unshakable faith in the Emperor which is....basically himself?
Ronin wrote:
"Brother Coa (and the OP Tadashi) is like, the biggest IoM fanboy I can think of here. It's like he IS from the Imperium, sent back in time and across dimensions."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/06/06 19:30:14
Subject: What would you change in the Imperium of Man if you had the power?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Two words:
Casual Fridays.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/06/06 19:30:46
Subject: What would you change in the Imperium of Man if you had the power?
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Brother Coa wrote:Melissia wrote:Sources?
Keep in mind, that five regiments isn't actually all that much. That's roughly 5000 soldiers or so? ~50 per platoon, platoons per company, 5 companies per regiment... yeah, just above 1000 soldiers per regiment for most regiments. I very much imagine that the basic yearly tithes of most Imperial worlds includes that many soldiers.
I do not have any readable source on that. One guy told me that on Dakka when i ask how is so that Imperium lack manpower when they have around 1 million planets? I think it was Kalumvel ( spell the name wrong ) that told me that 80% of Imperium planets are not at war. And most of those planets just pay tithe and nothing else.
As for regiments, it is stated in codex that 1 Guard Regiment number from 6 - 12.000 Guardsman.
I think Kan was exaggertaing ofr effect. It is reasonable to say a majority of IoM worlds are not at constant war.
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Dakka Bingo! By Ouze
"You are the best at flying things"-Kanluwen
"Further proof that Purple is a fething brilliant super villain " -KingCracker
"Purp.. Im pretty sure I have a gun than can reach you...."-Nicorex
"That's not really an apocalypse. That's just Europe."-Grakmar
"almost as good as winning free cake at the tea drinking contest for an Englishman." -Reds8n
Seal up your lips and give no words but mum.
Equip, Reload. Do violence.
Watch for Gerry. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/06/06 19:41:36
Subject: Re:What would you change in the Imperium of Man if you had the power?
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Monstrously Massive Big Mutant
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They already are restricted. The Sisters exist not just as the Ecclesiarchy's sword-arm, but also to monitor and regulate it to ensure no one individual becomes too powerful.
Removing Sisters from the Ecclesiarchy would actually potentially create opportunity for abuse because of this. I agree with having Sisters tied more to the Guard, though, but only in the sense that Sisters need to cooperate with them more often, along iwth ahving more Sisters in general so they can make a bigger impact.
Removing the SoB from the ecclesiarchy would stop any of the ecclesiarchy abusing their power. They could say what they liked as they would have no military power. Raising a force of civilians is never going to work so they have no ability to abuse their power. The major problem is that putting zealots in command of an army is a bad idea. They should be lead by imperial military forces. They would be far more effective attached to the imperial guard.
No. This would be stupid. The reason they say Chaos isn't to be used is because Chaos really is that insidious. Just being around chaos artefacts can change a person's personality drastically. Being around the symbols and artefacts of long enough can make those changes permanent. Eventually, one begins to worship Chaos without knowing it.
New GK fluff suggests this isn't the case, and that while difficult it is possible to block chaos artifacts. There are a number of successful radicals. There is no need to make them common place but having a small number of artifacts would be useful. Having it open would allow the rest of the ordo to monitor the inquisitors who are allowed contact with the artifacts. Loosing a small number of inquisitors would be worth it considering the damage a daemonic incursion would do to the tyranids.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/06/06 19:49:18
Subject: Re:What would you change in the Imperium of Man if you had the power?
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Consigned to the Grim Darkness
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4M2A wrote:Removing the SoB from the ecclesiarchy would stop any of the ecclesiarchy abusing their power. They could say what they liked as they would have no military power. Raising a force of civilians is never going to work so they have no ability to abuse their power.
That's ENTIRELY not true.
The primary power of the Eccleisarchy is political, not military. The Sisters keep a watch on this.
New GK fluff suggests this isn't the case
No it doesn't.
Of course there are a few successful radicals. But they're merely delaying the inevitable through feats of will.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/06/06 20:52:54
Subject: Re:What would you change in the Imperium of Man if you had the power?
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Changing the IoM?... Wow, that's a hard task.
First, we'd have to beat the main governing force in the Imperium: Inertia. The imperium is so vast and convoluted that a person, no matter how powerful he or she is, would need at least a dozen lifetimes of uncontested rule to even attempt to change it.
Two things to have in mind:
1) The IoM is not a centralized political entity. Maybe it was during the reign of the Emperor, but in the 41st millenium it is a mishmash of polities and centers of power held together by a combination of need, convenience, ideology and fear. Even the simplest political decissions must take decades of negotiations and compromises and, to add insult to injury, orders are not issued directly but through a seemingly endless chain of intermediaries. Most tasks would require such a degree of planning that the High Lords have no choice but to delegate them on lesser echelons of the command chain.
Also, even though the Guard provides a reasonable (very reasonable) degree of control, the Mechanicus, the Ecclesiarchy and the Astartes have standing armies, independent to those of the Imperium. Even though they share common interests, minor issues have led to clashes. Major disagreements could lead to civil war in a Heressy scale.
2) Communications are slow and unreliable. Warp travel seems to be as safe as the galleons of the Spanish Main, at best. The information shared by top policymakers is probably outdated by the time it reaches them.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/06/06 21:08:20
Subject: What would you change in the Imperium of Man if you had the power?
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The ecclesiarchy does have military power which due to the independant nature of it's leaders is open to abuse. The SoB are the army of the ecclesiarchy. They may watch over lower ranking priests but the higher up priests could easily abuse their power. It isn't that uncommon for the SoB to be used against imperial forces- it depends on which priest is in control. They attacked the SW, one of the most loyal SM chapters. Luckily nothing happened as the SW are powerful enough to fight back but a lesser chapter or an IG regiment would have been destroyed. There is no positive reason to leave the SoB in the hands of the ecclesiarchy and a number of examples showing it can cause problems. They could function exactly the same outside of the ecclesiarchy, but without influence from the priests.
The new fluff does suggest chaos can be controled, thats why Crowe has a daemon weapon. With strong enough will and adequate protection chaos is useful.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/06/06 21:19:39
Subject: Re:What would you change in the Imperium of Man if you had the power?
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1. Have the all lasguns on 10X higher setting.
2. Shoot the the High Lords of Terra in the face (they did a crappy job).
3. Put the big E on a titan.
4.Have the guard use better tactics.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/06/07 00:55:36
Subject: What would you change in the Imperium of Man if you had the power?
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If I can change anything in the Imperium I could bring Big E back right? I'd bring back him and the primarchs and end this Emperor is god thing. Go science!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/06/07 00:56:11
Subject: What would you change in the Imperium of Man if you had the power?
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Bounding Assault Marine
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I would:
1)make more Space Marine chapters
2)allow the codex astartes warriors access to the weponry of the Imperial Guard (cause come on have you seen how much of a beast a Baneblade is?)
3)put every planet under the control of some space marine chapter to make it more efficient like Ultramar
4)invade the eye terror with every space marine chapter in a holy crusade to eliminate all taint of chaos, leaving the Imperial Guardsmen to defend the Imperium and if need be some chapters just in case really bad stuff happens
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/06/07 02:28:28
Subject: What would you change in the Imperium of Man if you had the power?
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Bring them over to chaos
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/06/07 04:22:22
Subject: What would you change in the Imperium of Man if you had the power?
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4M2A wrote:The ecclesiarchy does have military power which due to the independant nature of it's leaders is open to abuse.
And withotu the Sisters, they'd still have military power via the Frateris Militia. 4M2A wrote:The SoB are the army of the ecclesiarchy. They may watch over lower ranking priests but the higher up priests could easily abuse their power.
And then promptly get stomped by the Sisters, as that is their purpose-- to prevent another Vandire from rising. There is NOTHING in the Imperium that the Sisters hate more than Apostate priests whom don't care about the faith and use their position for nothing but power. Even heretics are lesser criminals than apostate priests. 4M2A wrote:The new fluff does suggest chaos can be controled
No it doesn't. Crowe holds the daemon sword Blade of Antwyr only because it cannot be destroyed. Automatically Appended Next Post: Brother Coa wrote:Who is to say that they would rebel?
As for this, which I missed earlier... They would rebel because Space Marines are not very much inherently loyal to the Imperium. They are very much an independent force, and though their goals often coincide with the Imperium's, history has proven that they don't hesitate for a second to strike at the Imperium's forces to the detriment of millions or more if their goals at all conflict.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/06/07 04:41:07
Subject: What would you change in the Imperium of Man if you had the power?
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Power-Hungry Cultist of Tzeentch
Lost in the depths of the Warp.
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Well, I would change the Imperium of Man in the name of the lord of change. Welcome brothers of Tzeentch! Let us be rid of that heretical 'emperor'.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/06/07 05:15:09
Subject: Re:What would you change in the Imperium of Man if you had the power?
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1. I am now to be worshipped as the shiny golden dude
2. Open up more diplomatic and trade channels with Tau
3. Try and assimilate the Eldar so as to gain more knowledge, tech and possible access to the webway
4. Execute Chenkov and all Imperial commanders like him.
5. Try and curb back on the whole praying to computers thing
6. Restrict the autonomy of Space Marines, however allow chapters to be twice the size they currently are and allow more power to them on a local level
7. Have trully standard equipment for Imperial Guard so as to make the burden on the forge worlds lesser.
8. Have a new space marine founding that would rival the size of the second founding so as to combat the ever increasing threats in the universe
9. increase Imperial Guard recruitment by around 25%
10. Focus all spare forces on stopping Hive Fleet Leviathan since my butt is currently there
11. Standardize PDF forces and make them up to par of Imperial Guard regiments
12. If at all possible acquire plasma weaponry from Tau
13. When Hive fleet leviathan has been stopped offer the Tau an ultimatum of becoming a protectorate of the Imperium (about like how Adeptus Mechanicus is) or die to a 'man'
14. If all of the above does not work I will opt to make the ultramarines a 10000 strong force and then subsequently place an Ultramarine liaison with as many IG regiments as possible so as to make the imperial guard a force to be reckoned with due to plot armor
15. In the event of Imperium wide revolt I know I am dead so I will pop a bag of popcorn and enjoy
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/06/07 05:26:33
Subject: What would you change in the Imperium of Man if you had the power?
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Resolute Ultramarine Honor Guard
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Melissia wrote:
Brother Coa wrote:Who is to say that they would rebel?
As for this, which I missed earlier...
They would rebel because Space Marines are not very much inherently loyal to the Imperium. They are very much an independent force, and though their goals often coincide with the Imperium's, history has proven that they don't hesitate for a second to strike at the Imperium's forces to the detriment of millions or more if their goals at all conflict.
Good point. But of course, we would first bring them to tighter control before we make more chapters. But I understand their point, they are loyal to the Emperor - not High Lords of Terra. And then you have many stupid situation where Imperial command cannot determine their orders ( like Kronus ). And that situations are rare where Space Marines strike at Guard or Sisters even now.
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Viersche wrote:
Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
the Emperor might be the greatest psyker that ever lived, but he doesn't have the specialized training that a Grey Knight has. Also he doesn't have a Grey Knight's unshakable faith in the Emperor.
The Emperor doesn't have a GKs unshakable faith in the Emperor which is....basically himself?
Ronin wrote:
"Brother Coa (and the OP Tadashi) is like, the biggest IoM fanboy I can think of here. It's like he IS from the Imperium, sent back in time and across dimensions."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/06/07 05:37:09
Subject: What would you change in the Imperium of Man if you had the power?
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Veteran Knight Baron in a Crusader
Behind you
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Hm,
I would restrict the creation of world-destroyers more, instead focussing on recapture of destroyed systems and reterraforming of such planets.
Increase the number of assassins temples to one per ten systems, with recruitment over those ten systems. Assassins temples would answer to IG commanders and over.
force forge worlds and astartes to share hoarded STC and template data.
and increase the amount of rogue trader licenses granted.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/06/07 05:39:31
Subject: Re:What would you change in the Imperium of Man if you had the power?
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Resolute Ultramarine Honor Guard
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Wardragoon wrote:1. I am now to be worshipped as the shiny golden dude 
I am calling the Inquisition
2. Open up more diplomatic and trade channels with Tau
This is also smart move. Imperium is now at peace - but not for long as Tau are making ready for 4' th phase expansion.
3. Try and assimilate the Eldar so as to gain more knowledge, tech and possible access to the webway
That would be pointless. They see us as as we see tigers. Maybe it is possible after a long number of years. but who knows...
4. Execute Chenkov and all Imperial commanders like him.
Smart move.
5. Try and curb back on the whole praying to computers thing
That would be hard as hell, only because it's a religion. Like telling Muslim not ot worship Allah.
6. Restrict the autonomy of Space Marines, however allow chapters to be twice the size they currently are and allow more power to them on a local level
Also smart move, maybe a little risky. And why do you need more power with Space Marines? They are already strong as hell.
7. Have trully standard equipment for Imperial Guard so as to make the burden on the forge worlds lesser.
And Guard definitely need more reliable equipment. The one that let you kill from 1 bullet - not 1001.
8. Have a new space marine founding that would rival the size of the second founding so as to combat the ever increasing threats in the universe
We also need this ( 1000 chapters are to small force to hold Imperium together ).
9. increase Imperial Guard recruitment by around 25%
40%, just to be sure.
10. Focus all spare forces on stopping Hive Fleet Leviathan since my butt is currently there
With force like that Tyranids are not much of a threat. It's like having the Ork numbers - but much more stronger guns.
11. Standardize PDF forces and make them up to par of Imperial Guard regiments
PDF surely need more training. Guard is barely holding planets - PDF is just canon fodder until help arrives. They need to be able to take back conquered territories.
12. If at all possible acquire plasma weaponry from Tau
Why? You just modify Imperial Plasma. Add power leve setting ( like with Lasgun ). I am sure robe guys know how to do that.
13. When Hive fleet leviathan has been stopped offer the Tau an ultimatum of becoming a protectorate of the Imperium (about like how Adeptus Mechanicus is) or die to a 'man'
We all know what would they chose...
14. If all of the above does not work I will opt to make the ultramarines a 10000 strong force and then subsequently place an Ultramarine liaison with as many IG regiments as possible so as to make the imperial guard a force to be reckoned with due to plot armor
Smart moves. Ultras are known as most stable chapter. And they always cooperate with Imperial forces.
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For Emperor and Imperium!!!!
None shall stand against the Crusade of the Righteous!!!
Kanluwen wrote: "I like the Tau. I just don't like people misconstruing things to say that it means that they're somehow a huge galactic threat. They're not. They're a threat to the Imperium of Man like sharks are a threat to the US Army."
"Pain is temporary, honor is forever"
Emperor of Mankind:
"The day I have a sit-down with a pansy elf, magic mushroom, or commie frog is the day I put a bolt shell in my head."
in your name it shall be done"
My YouTube channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/2SSSR2
Viersche wrote:
Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
the Emperor might be the greatest psyker that ever lived, but he doesn't have the specialized training that a Grey Knight has. Also he doesn't have a Grey Knight's unshakable faith in the Emperor.
The Emperor doesn't have a GKs unshakable faith in the Emperor which is....basically himself?
Ronin wrote:
"Brother Coa (and the OP Tadashi) is like, the biggest IoM fanboy I can think of here. It's like he IS from the Imperium, sent back in time and across dimensions."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/06/07 05:51:34
Subject: Re:What would you change in the Imperium of Man if you had the power?
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Deathwing Terminator with Assault Cannon
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well that hive fleet is moving towards terra, and since my butt is currently on the golden throne I really don't want to be gribbly food I would choose to stop them since they are a unified and apparently focused threat
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/06/07 09:46:10
Subject: What would you change in the Imperium of Man if you had the power?
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Fresh-Faced New User
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Simple. I'd pull the plug on the emperor.
Then Humanity would really have to advance to live.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/06/07 09:52:08
Subject: What would you change in the Imperium of Man if you had the power?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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ChrisIronBrow wrote:Simple. I'd pull the plug on the emperor.
Then Humanity would really have to advance to live.
"Why did you unplug the Emperor!?"
"Have you seen our latest electricty bill? This guy was costing us more than he's worth."
If I had the power, i'd embrace the Chaos Gods. With our combined might, the Universe would be on its knees begging for mercy. Nothing and nobody could stand in our way. We would enter a new age, where we serve the almighty powers, for they are most merciful to those who see their vision of the future for what it is. Hope.
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