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Hello,
i just have a question about placing the template on a Baal Predator Flamestorm canon.
Do you have to align the template with the canon?

For instance, can I put the turret 90° to the right, and the template parallel to the tank?

Thanks

The way I play templates out of turrets is that the centerline of the template has to be within a 45 degree forward arc, just like regular line of fire. There's a little wiggle room, but it's a small angle, so you basically have to point the turret the direction you're firing.

center lign of the templete to a maximum of 45 degree from the turret, but the turret can turn no?

OH and templte at the end of the cannon (the way we paly it)

ElCheezus wrote:The way I play templates out of turrets is that the centerline of the template has to be within a 45 degree forward arc, just like regular line of fire. There's a little wiggle room, but it's a small angle, so you basically have to point the turret the direction you're firing.

Not at all true; in fact the template rules will often force you to break this.

You place the narrow end at the barrel, after ensuring the target is in LOS. The actual placement of the template is then dictated by the template rules.

Interesting. The target unit has to be in the Arc of Sight (pg 59), but there doesn't seem to be any rules supporting that the template has to be. At the moment I don't see any reason nos is wrong.

Template must be placed over something in LOS, beyond that you follow the normal rules for templates and firing angles.

Remember Arc of Sight for any mobile weapons(i.e. any weapons on a vehicle that can move) is directly in the line of the barrel.

So in order to have the Target unit in Arc of Fire to place the template, you must have the turret pointed directly at at least 1 model in the target unit(the template can then come out tangentially)

juraigamer wrote:Template must be placed over something in LOS, beyond that you follow the normal rules for templates and firing angles.

The target UNIT must be in LOS, however the template rules will override this in some cases - if you can only see one model, but more models can be hit if the te3mplate is entirely out of LOS, then you are required to place the template there.

nosferatu1001 wrote:

juraigamer wrote:Template must be placed over something in LOS, beyond that you follow the normal rules for templates and firing angles.

The target UNIT must be in LOS, however the template rules will override this in some cases - if you can only see one model, but more models can be hit if the te3mplate is entirely out of LOS, then you are required to place the template there.

Nope, if the player wants to put the template over that one guy taht he sees, but has a Heavy 4 small blast. He can then make 4 wounds and wound the other member of the unit hiding behind the rock that prevent LOS thanks to wound allocation. Cant quote de page of that since I don't have my BRB on me but they say that you can fire on a unit as long as you see one of them (or firing ordnance or things like that). Of course the unit will get cover if the template doesnt ignore it (like flamer, hurray.)

If one unit is in LOS, but while placing the template over that one unit, 3 more are getting hit that are not in LOS, the 4 others are getting hit also (again don't have the BRB on me so cant quote)

Serder your thoughts are confusing.

First off; blasts aren't Templates, they're markers.

Second off you begin with a statement of disagreement, then continue with an explanation that asserts agreement in what Nos said.

Third of all you begin making statements of several Units, but by Context you seem to be meaning Models.

Lastly all Templates ignore cover, that is a basic part of the template rules. it is again Blast markers that do not necessarily ignore cover(only when they have a special rule, or are barrage and the Cover lies between the firer and the Target, but not between the Center of the blast marker and the models hit).

So, to illustrate the issue:

I tank shocked the stealer. Is it ok to point the turret at the stealer at the rear and flame parallel to the Baal predator? (as the ugly picture suggest)?

After reading up, I don't see why not. You have to place the template so it covers as many models in the unit as possible, and that seems to override normal firing restrictions. The key part is that the unit be in LOS from the way the turret is pointed.

Yep, Flames can magically shoot at a right-angle out of the barrel.

Does it make sense; only if you imagine the template to represent a "sweep" of the area(real Flame-throwers fire in Lines. Well, still cones, but the extreme end is only about 2x-3x as wide as the nozzle).

(real Flame-throwers fire in Lines. Well, still cones, but the extreme end is only about 2x-3x as wide as the nozzle).

But these are super cool flame-throwers of the far future!

You can also traverse a flame stream to get an arc of fire.

The wide part of the cone would therefore be where the flame stream started its arc, with the narrow end being the trailing end.