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Well I've been thinking, what is up with the eradicator? Lo and behold in the 5th edition we have this funny variant over the already established Annihilator and the Conqueror. Theres not much to it, its basically a hellhound except way slower, less reliable, and more expensive. Is there any way to redeem this anti infantry tank? A few ideas I have had but dont know if they're any good

Give it AP3
-Make this the perfect marine killer. Makes the colossus even less useful though and also steps on the toes of the banewolf.

Give it Barrage
-A bit of a weird choice but I kinda picture the erdicator as a mortar tank like the Churchill AVRE. could give a bit of an edge over the normal battlecannon. 2 griffons though could easily outperform it unless you're going against a lot of cover saves or you want to be mobile

Lower the cost
-Simple price reduction, down to normal leman russ price or even conqueror price (130)

thoughts?

Heh I guess no one really wants the eradicator

Add about 5 (maybe 10) points, make it large blast.

-More useful
-Doesn't break colossus
-Doesn't make it a weird hybrid where we have an indirect fire tank.

But it is already a large blast, and no one still takes it since we already have the vanilla or the demolisher for large blasts

Perhaps gw just didnt put enough thought to why they made this tank

Dude, it's large blast already . . . and still not great. If it were small blast it would be laughed out of the necrons codex. You've actually just suggested making it the same, but more expensive.

I would give it a points break, but even then it is sort of inferior to the super-accurate hellhound. Why not make it the same cost as a LRBT, S8 AP4? Makes it a bit more multi-role, and if you play lots of marines (who doesn't) AP3 is actually a fair trade-off to ignoring cover. The danger here is that the eradicator is already great against a narrow selection of armies and enemies. If it gets any better at its job, the few people in its target demographic are going to be justifiably unhappy.

I suppose, maybe a range increase so the hellhound isnt laughing all the time? You still have the risks of scatter and mobility vs more LOS threat range

Although by then mind as well invest in some manticores

Wow, it IS a large blast. Hmm.

I don't know. Part of the problem is that I always take MEQ-killers or anti-tank in my heavy slots. It's in that same place in my mind that fills things like rough riders. It's not that it's BAD, there's just so many better things I could be taking with my points/slots. If I want something that fills this role, I'll typically bring a Hellhound or two. Maybe if it scattered 1d6 instead of two? That's kind of trendy right now...

I have 2 eradicators in my collection, i find they work really well i only field one in my Vostroyan army though.

Over all i think its a good tank and fits the role of hunting lightly armoured infantry quite well specially on an urban terrain.

the only thinkg wrong with the eradicator is that everyone plays SPESS MAHREENS, but its great when you meet one of those shunned and belittled gamers that don't play SPESS MAHREENS.

not everything has to be given AP3 and lowered in cost to be viable, you just bring it out against the correct army

Yea true far too many space marine armys out there.

Luckily for me i mainly play against Tyranids and orks with only one space marine collector in my group and it just so happens i have an entire armoured company too choose from.

3 chimairas

2 basilisks

3 armoured sentinels

1 banwolf

1 valkyrie

1 banblade

1 shadowsword

9 LRBT's consiting of 3 regular russ's, 2 eradicators, 1 punisher, 1 annihilator, 1 demolisher, and 1 vanquisher.

And 1 huge super heavy tank that im currently workin on, heres the link if your interested: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/363822.page

Must be nice, all three of my main opponents play some variant of marine army. *Sigh*

Sorry, which one is the eradicator?

LRBT = Battle Cannon
Annihilator = TL Autocannon
Executioner = Plasma cannons
Demolisher = Demo Cannon
Vanguisher = weird anti tank gun thingy
Eradicator = ?



(I dont play IG so have no idea)

Nova Cannon, its an inferno cannon thats a large blast

i see, so S6 AP3? have to agree, with those stats why not just take the LRBT?

Praxiss wrote:i see, so S6 AP3? have to agree, with those stats why not just take the LRBT?

It's Str 6 Ap 4 and ignores cover saves.

pleh. Still rather have a Battle Cannon. i see the point of the thread now.

I had a friend who tried to balance it with making the spot it lands over dangerous terrain, and it became quite threat. It's a bit quirky, but it was hella fun and dangerous.

Why not give it two shots and raise the cost by 10 points?

The two shots idea sounds nice, but... two large, high-strength blasts that ignore cover AND armor saves is devastating to horde armise...completely and utterly devastating...

The eradicator isn't bad if you kit it out right and run it in squadrons... s6 and the ability to ignore cover makes it a handy anti-horde and anti-swarm selection that still dishes out a respectable number of wounds. I think that, if taken in conjunction with enough ignores-cover weaponry, namely banewolves with multimeltas or hellhounds, Flamer-happy vets in flamer-happy chimeras, with a compliment of melta to cover the anti-tank, you could realistically end up with a respectable list that daels with cover-dependant armies quite well, while packing enough high-strength firepower to worry anyone.

AP3 doesn't kill marines... having to roll a lot of armor saves kills marines.

I don't think it's bad, it just has a specific purpose but the current meta makes it unplayable. If you knew you were going to face non mech list that isn't MEQ it would do great. It would do really well against a foot eldar army, but who would ever plan to face one?

It also does well against Orks and non-mech Guard, but the problem is that Guard doesnt really NEED to deal with enemy guard bubble wrappign as their assault sucks anyway.

it's a bit like the HB.

it's great aginst guard-EQ's but lacking in the anti-MEQ's department.

The problem is that everyman and his dog plays MEQ's
this tank with some HB would rip-apart a FW squad and seriously hamper a Guard Powerblob

My vote for this tank is make it str8 ap4. An ap 3 weapon that ignores cove would be to Op and every 1 would take it x9

It's definately a risk and reward piece of hardware with a very specific purpose, much like the punisher, which does a nice stand-in job for any torrent-required use, though it prices itself out of being truly useful. Unlike the LRBT, which most MEQ players just kind of giggle at unless caught with their pants down, there are a small handfull of the Leman Russ-based heavies that are more of an actual support unit than the typical plasma variant..., or the trusty Demolisher or vanilla LRBT, like the Vanquisher, which has a very specific purpose.... Tank hunting. Some of these tanks thrive in a standalone capacity, while others work better in a squadron role, serving the purpose of breaking down a target with sheer weight of fire.

A single punisher isn't too scary.... a squad of 2 can be freightening with some decent rolls, and a trio screams "KILL IT NOW", as they pose a massive threat to almost anything their pointed at, provided they're pointed at the right thing.

Not bad, just a little more situational.

Marine players might want to laugh at the LRBTs, but they won't once the autocannon spam supporting them destroy their transports

Melissia wrote:Marine players might want to laugh at the LRBTs, but they won't once the autocannon spam supporting them destroy their transports

I'll have to agree with you. People always say that cover and spacing kills blast weapons, but you're just not going to be able to stay spread out in cover all game long, especially not if you're going mech. Besides, 4+ is still worse than 3+ and if you go to ground you're not going anywhere.

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Melissia wrote:Marine players might want to laugh at the LRBTs, but they won't once the autocannon spam supporting them destroy their transports

I'll have to agree with you. People always say that cover and spacing kills blast weapons, but you're just not going to be able to stay spread out in cover all game long, especially not if you're going mech. Besides, 4+ is still worse than 3+ and if you go to ground you're not going anywhere.

I'm in agreement here. You (MEQ player) want to sit behind that ledge so you get a cover save, and never move into optimum firing for yourself? That's fine... I'm (IG or Tau) going to sit over here with my higher volume of long range weapons, and... we'll see what happens.

More on topic:
I have no problem with the Eradicator. It still wounds all infantry on a 2+, just like the MBT, but ignores cover. So against Marines in cover you go from them having a 4+ to a 3+, which really is not that devastating. Against anything but MEQ in cover you go from a [insert number here]+ to no save. I think it's one of those situations of it being "new" and nobody liking to change.

I've just thought being strenth 6 means its insta-killing majority of the DE army and giving them no saves 'cpt invenerable

JamesMclaren123 wrote:I've just thought being strenth 6 means its insta-killing majority of the DE army and giving them no saves 'cpt invenerable

But you need to blow open their raiders first, and if your taking eradicators, then you arn't taking hydras, so you need to have chimaras with multi-lasors, or hevay weapon squads with autocannons.