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Slaugther in Space Game #1
Slaugther in Space Game #2
Slaugther in Space Game #3

Here is part 3 in our 5 part series of battle reports from the Slaughter in Space.

This time we are up against ChristianA's very nicely painted but brutal Mech Guard list. (Am I contractually obligated to call it a Leaf Blower list?)

The lists:
My List (in case you have forgot)
HQ
Draigo
Librarian w/Force Staff, Servo Skulls, Shrouding, Sanctuary, Might of Titian, Hammerhand, Quicksilver, Warp Rift

Elite
Purifier Squad
Knight of the Flame w/Master Crafted Demonhammer
3 Purifiers w/Halberd
2 Purifiers w/Psycannons

Troops
10 Paladins w/4 Psycannons, 2 Demonhammers, Halberds, Swords, 1 Falchion, Brotherhood Banner

5 Strike Squad w/Psycannon

Heavy Support
Land Raider
Land Raider

Christian’s Imperial Guard

Christian has a very well painted army, and one that is brutal. His list:

HQ
Company Command Squad
4 Plasma Guns
Chimera

Company Command Squad
4 Melta Guns
Chimera

Troops
2x Veteran Squad w/3 Melta Guns
Chimeras

3x Veteran Squad w/3 Plasma Guns
Chimeras

Fast Attack
3x Vendetta

Heavy Support
3x Manticore

Wow! Not what I wanted to see. 3 Manticores+ 3 Vendettas + Melta and Plasma Vets. My poor Paladins and Land Raiders!

http://blackmoors40k.blogspot.com/2011/06/slaughter-in-space-game-3-blackmoors.html


Stay tuned for part #4: Blackmoor vs Janthkin


And part #5: What do you mean you can take 8 Dreadnaughts?

Good batrep, I like it alot since I'm playing a similar brutal guard list. I think the game probably would of gone even better for the IG player if those vendettas actually done something(I would kept them back). The mech IG list definetly had more range and fire power, and is a very tough match up for non-MSU lists. Him getting only a minor win was disappointment.

SonsofVulkan wrote:Good batrep, I like it alot since I'm playing a similar brutal guard list. I think the game probably would of gone even better for the IG player if those vendettas actually done something(I would kept them back). The mech IG list definetly had more range and fire power, and is a very tough match up for non-MSU lists. Him getting only a minor win was disappointment.

#1. With Deep Strike they are going to be in range.
#2. The Land Raider has a range of 48" and can shoot at 2 targets.

He was not going to be able to hide, and me not getting at least a draw was a major disappointment.

Well if he split the vendettas up on multiple locations, so that the LR las-sponsoons can end up targeting 1.

Silly question, but how many points are these armies? The IG army is considered brutal? Are Manticores really that good? ( been out of the game a while). I know Vendettas can be good but you shoot at them enough.....

I'm surprised you did as well as you did. Especially with a Vendetta/Manticore/Melta/Plasma spam...I think that is the most slashes i've used to describe a list. I'm a fan of your unconventional list, and you seem to be doing quite well with a paladin heavy army. This should, at the very least, show people that paladins are certainly not useless. I also think its a major disappointment that you didn't pull out the win. You were doing very well, and your target priority list was very well done, strategy was very good...not much you can do when your dice fail you. Loving your Bat Reps.

And @General Hobbs: Yes, this is a brutal army with extreme alpha strike capability. The ability to set down a ridiculous amount of devastating pie plates and a metric feth ton of TL lascannons...as well as plasma and melta guns out the ork hole makes for a pretty ridiculous borderline cheesy list.

Good work, Blackmoor.

Nice boring IG army. I'm surprised you were able to stay awake through this game Blackmoor...and not fall asleep due to the boredom that occurs through spam overload...LOL :0

Blackmoor
Nice bat rep. Nice to see a Paladin army is viable.

I was thinking what SonsofVulkan meant is Christian should have spread out his vendettas one on the left, one middle and one right so they weren't all near your forces to be targeted.

There seems to be a mistake in the list as you have all the vets as having meltas? Was there 2 or 3 plasma vets?

General Hobbs
Ig is a pretty good shooty army but Space Wolves, Blood Angels and now Grey Knights can all outshoot Guard minus pie plates if you design the list that way. Most people don't. Manticores are probably the best heavy choice since they are good vs both land raiders and vehicles at range and infantry and have the potential to get more then one shot.

I just reread the list and for some reason only thought he had 2 Vet squads, not 5. 15 meltas is alot scarier than 6.

I think I saw a beer on the table in picture 3. Good choice of impassable terrain. +50

actually it was 5 Vet squads, 2 had meltas and 3 squads had plasma. So all together with the CCS it was 10 melta/13 plasma/3 d3 str 10 large blast/9 TL-Lascannons. twas a truly smash face list.

Grimgob wrote:actually it was 5 Vet squads, 2 had meltas and 3 squads had plasma. So all together with the CCS it was 10 melta/13 plasma/3 d3 str 10 large blast/9 TL-Lascannons. twas a truly smash face list.

heh Blackmoor should edit his post....I'm seein meltas on the vets, not plasmas.

I like your list, Alan. It's 2000 points, yes?

I was toying with the idea of something similar but instead of your big unit on foot have 2 5-man paladin units in redeemers and use them as mini deathstars with strike squads in razorbacks as fire support. Hmm, might actually try that at the next 2k event I go to

Do you ever find yourself not combat squadding the paladins?

It's hard to combat squad the paladins as there true power is unleashed by the Librarian when he is attached. A Paladin squad without the librarian is just not a big enough threat to dedicated CC units.

The IG list needed to spread out. I'm not sure there was a place to put the vendettas and protect them from deep striking psycannons and reserved Godhammers.

If the IG has to many units tied together, one Might of Titan can cause the whole Paladin squad to become effectively monsterous creatures and wreck a parking lot of vehicles. Not all would become a crater and the veteran fire on the following turn could be mitigated severely by shrouding. That is if the Paladin unit is still beig enough to wrap around destroyed vehicles and gain cover. It's not as cut and dry as it first appears.

I had 2 melta vet squads and 3 plasma vet squads. At the time have the vendettas in the center was a good idea because i could go right or left. After he teleported in i tried to back up with the vendettas but they were getting hammered pretty hard. I had spread out because he was coming in from reserves and i didn't know were the objectives would end up.

The Everliving wrote:I like your list, Alan. It's 2000 points, yes?

Do you ever find yourself not combat squadding the paladins?

Yes it was 2000 points.

I did not combat squad them in the Kill point (really victory point) missions in games #1 and #4, and they make one big durable unit. Even in KP missions I will sometimes combat squad them because a lot of times you are going up against MSU armies, and you need to spread the shooting around to a lot of targets.


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DarthDiggler wrote:It's hard to combat squad the paladins as there true power is unleashed by the Librarian when he is attached. A Paladin squad without the librarian is just not a big enough threat to dedicated CC units.

With the banner, Draigo and some Halberds they are a big enough threat, but you are right, the Librarian is a huge force multiplier. I think we will start to see 2 librarian armies before to long because the grandmasters do not add that much. It is too bad a paladin army has to take Draigo (I know that they do not have to, but the truth is that they do).

If the IG has to many units tied together, one Might of Titan can cause the whole Paladin squad to become effectively monsterous creatures and wreck a parking lot of vehicles. Not all would become a crater and the veteran fire on the following turn could be mitigated severely by shrouding. That is if the Paladin unit is still beig enough to wrap around destroyed vehicles and gain cover. It's not as cut and dry as it first appears.

Might of Titian is nice, but you have a strength 10 Demon Hammer alone that can do a good job killing tanks (although in my games they took forever to kill his monolith in game #2 and the Chimera in game #3).

That would be interesting. Double wing Librarians each with his own 10-man termie squad kitted out. You'd have about 700pts (in a 2K list) left to play with.

DarthDiggler wrote:That would be interesting. Double wing Librarians each with his own 10-man termie squad kitted out. You'd have about 700pts (in a 2K list) left to play with.

I might try it out. Terminators are about as good as Paladins in assault, and with a librarian they can really dish it out. Of course if you are facing an army with a lot of AP2 strength 8+ the paladins will die just as fast and terminators and you get to save some points.

The problem I see with it is the amount of fire. 10 terminators only get 2 psycannons compared to 4 for the paladins, and the extra wounds are nice.

I think you did about as well as you could against an IG leaf blower list with elite GK. You simply can't place enough units on the table.

I just think paladins are a huge point sink in competitive play(but really fun in friendlies).

I guess this is a dumb question but how did you claim objectives with non-troops or count as troops?

Hey, I played against Christian's mechguards once with my shooty tyranids. It was in a 1500 tournament so he had 1 less CCS, veterans and manticore. It was a tough, tough list. I was the only one who tied with him (he destroyed everyone else). We both also tied for 1st, though he won the tiebreaker and took 1st overall (I got 2nd).

Congrats for keeping it competitive. Honestly, I thought his army would absolutely destroy yours. You don't have the firepower to deal with his army, but somehow, you managed to hurt a lot of his vehicles.

Yeah I was surprised too that the match wasnt a blowout for the guard player. His mistake was keeping those vendettas all together on one side of the table.