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Hi All

I have been drawing up army lists for my Space Wolves and got thinking about points usage etc. That made me think about the MOST cost effective 40k unit going. So which one is it?! At the moment for the wolves its a hard decision between Long Fangs, Grey Hunters or Rune Priests etc. Give us a yell and tell us what you think!
Cheers
Andy

Vendetta should be in the competition.

The humble Rhino.

Ork boyz. Crazy for only 6pt compared to what they can do. Boyz before toys.

the tyranid tervigon because it's point are nothing for basically a 6 wound carnifex that spawns termaguants for free. i've known a single tervigon produce two times it's own points of guants in one game, and you simply end up flooding the oppossion, so just from that the tervigon should be the best let alone the fact that for under 500pts you can have two in an army with a squad of guants to make one tervigon a troop choice. The fact that the tervigon is then a troop choice and can capture objectives is awsome. It also has it's psychic powers, and with S5 it can still be used for taking out the smaller tanks. The one downside to the tervigon is it's rubbish initiative but I think the rest balance that out and it wouldn't be a tyranid monstrous creature without having to strike last.

3 Kabalite Trueborn w/ 2 Splinter cannons
Venom w/ extra Splinter cannon

16 ap5 poisoned shots for 121 points

Marbo.

65 points can cause entire formations of Terminators, Long Fangs, hell ANYTHING that isn't packing a Storm Shield pause.

It's even more satisfying on Tyranid Warriors, sooo many wounds caused

marbo is annoying i agree with that, but he doesn't last long against 118 str4 ap5 fleshborer shots per turn, guant mass

I think Plague Marines are pretty cost effective.

T5, Blight Grenades (no bonus attack on the charge for you! hahahaha!), FNP and 2 special weapons in a squad fo 5. All for 23 points. Tasty.

Hezekial wrote:marbo is annoying i agree with that, but he doesn't last long against 118 str4 ap5 fleshborer shots per turn, guant mass

True, but point for point its cause to find a more cost effective way of making sure your opponent spreads out.

Hell, for his cost NOTHING else can rival what he offers.

I'd personally go with Kabalite Warriors or Trueborn.

They're very cheap.
They have a basic weapon that can wound anything with a toughness value.
They have access to competitively cheap transports
(not insanely undercosted rhino cheap, but still)
They have access to an assault anti-tank weapon for cheap.
They can get FNP relatively easily which roughly gives them the equivilent to a 3/4+ armor save.

Dakka pred is a lot of front armor and anti-infantry/MC/light tank fire for way under 100 points. (C:SM version)

the ork loota

D3 str 7 ap4 shots for 15 points

yes they are ballistic skill 5 but a group of 15 for 225 points could through out up to 45 shots that's alot of shots for the points (you just have to pray they actually hit somehtign with them)

Marbo?!?!? Just wondering what it is?!

Hezekial wrote:the tyranid tervigon because it's point are nothing for basically a 6 wound carnifex that spawns termaguants for free. i've known a single tervigon produce two times it's own points of guants in one game, and you simply end up flooding the oppossion, so just from that the tervigon should be the best let alone the fact that for under 500pts you can have two in an army with a squad of guants to make one tervigon a troop choice. The fact that the tervigon is then a troop choice and can capture objectives is awsome. It also has it's psychic powers, and with S5 it can still be used for taking out the smaller tanks. The one downside to the tervigon is it's rubbish initiative but I think the rest balance that out and it wouldn't be a tyranid monstrous creature without having to strike last.

This. Also Space Wolf Rune Priests are pretty broken. A force weapon that shuts down pyschic powers on a 4+, a good statline, and finally who could forget JOWW and LL. And all for 100 points? A steal!

My brother thrashed my Eldar with one yesterday,

Wulfen Andy wrote:Marbo?!?!? Just wondering what it is?!

He's an Elites choice in the IG codex. His fluff makes you think of him as Rambo IN THE FAR FUTURE. Also, his name's an anagram of Rambo And I didn't play against him, but he looks like he is really dangerous.

Ratius wrote:The humble Rhino.

I'll have to agree with this one. For 35 points you get:

a transport with 10 slots
a storm bolter
auto repair
and front armour better than 10 (doesn't sound like much but it does count in the points)

boyz, never have enough boyz

p14tinum wrote:

Hezekial wrote:the tyranid tervigon because it's point are nothing for basically a 6 wound carnifex that spawns termaguants for free. i've known a single tervigon produce two times it's own points of guants in one game, and you simply end up flooding the oppossion, so just from that the tervigon should be the best let alone the fact that for under 500pts you can have two in an army with a squad of guants to make one tervigon a troop choice. The fact that the tervigon is then a troop choice and can capture objectives is awsome. It also has it's psychic powers, and with S5 it can still be used for taking out the smaller tanks. The one downside to the tervigon is it's rubbish initiative but I think the rest balance that out and it wouldn't be a tyranid monstrous creature without having to strike last.

This. Also Space Wolf Rune Priests are pretty broken. A force weapon that shuts down pyschic powers on a 4+, a good statline, and finally who could forget JOWW and LL. And all for 100 points? A steal!

My brother thrashed my Eldar with one yesterday,

Yep would totally have to agree on this one also!!!! Cheers for the Rambo clear up!!!

Shoota boyz. Shooty, get three attacks on the charge, are troops and have T4, all for 6 points each.

I would think the Rhino as well. It really is a work horse for it's cost a player running SM really cannot do better. Unless the rhino is outright destroyed it will always be usefull. It can repair it self from beinging immobilized, it can move 10 troops, it can act as a shield, lauch smoke, and while the storm bolter is not a huge threat to an opponent it helps from time to time with opposing infantry when your ready to unload the troops from within its armored hull.

And another reason I think the Rhino works in this category. It is almost impossible to use a Rhino wrong. Part of being cost effective is the ability to use the unit for what it was meant for, in this case a DT, that's simple you move another unit from point A to point B. It's not like the Tervigon mentioned above. That beast is 200+ points and if you role doubles on the first movement phase the thing is done for the game spawning out gaunts. How many 7 point gaunts do you need to reach 200? A bunch. A 35 point rhino has no issues with that. If it allows it transported unit to arrive near it's destination it's made it's points, if it is destroyed so the transported unit can live to fight on, well, it's earned it's points.

What else can do that?

cromwest wrote:Dakka pred is a lot of front armor and anti-infantry/MC/light tank fire for way under 100 points. (C:SM version)

This, FTW

Long Fangs, Vendettas, Grey Hunters, and Runepriests are probably the most cost effective units in the game currently, very ridiculous.

Ratling

Ravagers can also compete.
115 points for a 11/11/10 vehicle with a 5++ that can move 12 inches and fire 3 dark lances.

Battlewagon with a Deffrolla. 110 points for what is probably the best transport in the game.

The Monolith, for what it can do at it's relatively low cost... in any other codex people would cry out in droves at how broken it is. The fact that the rest of the codex is terrible is what makes it balanced

Azure wrote:The Monolith, for what it can do at it's relatively low cost... in any other codex people would cry out in droves at how broken it is. The fact that the rest of the codex is terrible is what makes it balanced

In huge battle I would agree with this but anything under 2k points it's not worth it because it saps too much, it may still be amazing but it leaves your necrons soldiers vulnerable and open to the phase out rule. However, they will hopefully alter this in the new codex.

The Codex Space Marine Rhino or the Tervigon sounds like one of the top choices for me.

The Plague Marines are very fine for their points too.

p14tinum wrote:
This. Also Space Wolf Rune Priests are pretty broken. A force weapon that shuts down pyschic powers on a 4+, a good statline, and finally who could forget JOWW and LL. And all for 100 points? A steal!

My brother thrashed my Eldar with one yesterday,

RP powers were nerfed slightly in the latest FAQ, making powers Roll to Hit. JotWW is not a shooting attack, as it simply asks to Draw a Line, yet if you miss the first target in the Line, the rest miss?

The power relies upon the models along the line rolling Initiative, this should be enough and is similar to rolling to hit, as they are rolling to get out of the way/not fall down the crevasse.

RPs are not broken, but they are a good points cost.

My money is on the humble Grey Hunters, with a close second being ML armed Long Fangs packs.