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hi guys and girls, recently put a lizardmen army together feedback i got was to give him standard of discipline as he is already a bsb. now my problem with this is raw vs rai. raw says standard of discipline '''+1 leadership but cannot use the generals inspiring presence special rule''' now i take this as he being the general starts with this rule but then by taking the banner loses the inspiring presence special rule. i know people will argue that its units that use the presence but it is the generals rule.

Your general always tests on his own leadership anyway, and thus wouldn't need to use his Inspiring Presence.

As for the unit he's in, when they make a Ld test they don't get his Inspiring Presence, but as he is still the highest Ld in the unit, they get to use his Ld that way. It's in the FAQ I believe, that it is intended for this to work.

Steamdragon has this one dead on. The unit loses the ability to use the Inspiring presence, but would still be able to use the highest leadership available to them, which would be the Slann with the BSB.

but cannot use the generals inspiring presence special rule'

now i take this as he being the general starts with this rule but then by taking the banner loses the inspiring presence special rule

Just to be clear, taking the banner does not make the Slann lose the inspiring presence rule. The Slann's unit may not use the rule (although they wouldn't need to for obvious reasons), but other units may still use inspiring presence. Yes this means that a Lizardman army with this standard will test mostly on LD 10. To be perfectly honest though, you don't need this on your Slann as LD 9 cold blooded with a BSB is more than sufficient to pass most LD tests for any unit within the LD bubble.

They would still use the Highest Ld in the unit(the Slann)



the Standard also increases the Slann's Ld by 1, so his Inspiring Presense is now 10 as he is having his Ld buffed.


the standard is a pretty sneaky way of getting a Ld10 inspiring presense.


although, with Cold Blooded, there are more productive banners to take.

Damn dude. I am noticing a recurring theme here on this forum: YOU GUYS DONT READ THE FAQS ON GAMESWORKSHOP.COM!! And I quote: Q: If the General is in a unit with the Standard of Discipline
will he gain +1 Leadership and then be able to pass it onto his unit
(because he is in it) as well as other units in range of the Inspiring
Presence special rule? (Reference)
A: Yes

gabehowlett wrote:Damn dude. I am noticing a recurring theme here on this forum: YOU GUYS DONT READ THE FAQS ON GAMESWORKSHOP.COM!! And I quote: Q: If the General is in a unit with the Standard of Discipline
will he gain +1 Leadership and then be able to pass it onto his unit
(because he is in it) as well as other units in range of the Inspiring
Presence special rule? (Reference)
A: Yes

That probably goes on the idea that the general is in the same unit as the BSB with that standard. This is a slightly different case of the general BEING the bsb. Same outcome, just slightly different situation.

While it can be a little in the way of overkill...it's 15pts. I'd just as soon save the points from something bigger and buy more Saurus or something.

Warpsolution wrote:While it can be a little in the way of overkill...it's 15pts. I'd just as soon save the points from something bigger and buy more Saurus or something.

I have no trouble failing a colded blooded Ld9 stupidity test. I do it all the time.

-Matt

my point was that Ld9 cold blooded is pretty dang awsome, and you are in range of the BSB anyway so can reroll it.


I would be more inclined to buy a more expensive banner with a different effect.



that said, if i have only 15 points left and a magic banner slot on my BSB, on goes the Standard of Discpline.

Even so, the extra Ld is almost always worth its 15pts, not considering that it's counted three times over with the Cold-blooded and Hold Your Ground! rules.

I dunno...when it comes to Break Tests and the like, I don't feel like you can ever go too overboard. 'Cept maybe tacking Ld boosts on Unbreakable units or something. It's just such a fundamental part of the game. It decides victory, and it comes up often.

I have no trouble failing a colded blooded Ld9 stupidity test. I do it all the time.

You have some pretty horrible luck Matt. If you are within range of the BSB and you fail the stupidity on a cold blooded 9 with a reroll, its time to sacrifice some dice.

The odds of failing without a reroll is only 3.7%. With a reroll, the odds of failing are a whopping 0.13%.

**Edit**

If you bring combat resolution into the equation, then the additional bonus to your leadership may come in handy. It would only be a change of 1, so unless your combats are really close, the banner might not come into effect. Personally, I like to use the razor standard. If your Slann is with your Temple Guard, they are stubborn, so the extra leadership is not needed. If your Slann is with your Saurus Warriors, they now apply a -2 to armor saves, which may turn the tide of a combat moreso than the 1 point of leadership.

If I had 15 points left, I might consider it. I'd more than likely build my list with the Razor Standard in mind though. The extra leadership is just not something Lizardmen really need when you look at the numbers.

Army I played against at CCC had a Slann with the stubborn crown, BSB, *and* Standard of Discipline.

There's a guy who isn't breaking any time soon...

Red_Zeke wrote:Army I played against at CCC had a Slann with the stubborn crown, BSB, *and* Standard of Discipline.

There's a guy who isn't breaking any time soon...

Please tell me he was ethereal and solo.

Ethereal yes, solo, no. I was sporting magic artillery, which made the Look Out Sir something of a necessity.