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I thought I was going to have to cut a lot of fat from this list to get to 3k, but I made it, not sure if it is any good though. I was able to keep the units that I really wanted, but could still use some advice.

lord
demon prince - lv 3 wizard, MoT, 3rd eye, roar = 480

hero
exalted - BSB, MoT, talisman of endurance, bronze armor, charmed shield, soporific musk, halberd, steed = 235

core
18 warriors - shields, MoT, command, rapturous standard = 358
18 warriors - halberds, MoK, command, flaming standard = 358
50 marauders - gw, MoK, command = 300

special
10 chaos knights - MoT, command, banner of rage = 505
10 chaos knights - MoK, command, ranger's standard = 530

rare
hellcannon = 205

Total = 2971

So, what does Dakka think? I know I am still using some very common units, but at least there isn't a chosenstar. Should I change anything and what to spend my extra 29 points on? What should I cut to get down to a 2.5k list? Thanks in advance.

Bronze armor and charmed shield is a no no (as in illegal).

Bsb that is cheap and works well is
bsb mot charmed shield halberd talisman of endurance iron curse icon.

Musk sorta meh not too great.

Drop the knights down to smaller blocks 2 sets of 5 work really well.

Mot knights std musician blasted standard.

Mok and who knows war banner just in case.

A second hellcannon never hurts (well I cant speak for the opponent but it hasnt hurt me yet).

Support caster with infernal puppet because that would be mean.

Maybe a 3rd block of something.

Just a thought.

Thanks for the response. I can't believe I did the double armor thing again. That's what happens when I start adding things at the end to increase my points. Which is why I added the much and I am fine with leaving that at home. I would like to keep a strong knight theme to the list though. In fact, I wouldn't mind getting some more knights into the list or a second hellcannon. Since most of my list has leadership 8, I didn't think the bronze armor would be too bad and I liked being immune to psychology and poison and killing blow, but I will try the other build since that will be cheaper. I will rewrite another list when I get a chance later today.

No worries the thing with large units of knights is the points they cost and as soon as you loose the rank bonus that and the knights in the back row only get 1 attack rather than the crazy amount the front row puts out.

Hellcannon is definitely good since it's good protection in your back field.

06/21/2011 10:36:27 PM Subject: 3k WoC
I thought I was going to have to cut a lot of fat from this list to get to 3k, but I made it, not sure if it is any good though. I was able to keep the units that I really wanted, but could still use some advice.

lord
demon prince - lv 3 wizard, MoT, 3rd eye, roar = 480

hero
exalted - BSB, MoT, talisman of endurance, charmed shield, halberd, steed = 200

core
18 warriors - shields, MoT, command, rapturous standard = 358
18 warriors - halberds, MoK, command, flaming standard = 358
50 marauders - gw, MoK, command = 300

special
7 chaos knights - MoT, command, banner of rage = 385
7 chaos knights - MoK, musician, standard bearer, ranger's standard = 390
7 chaos knights - MoK, musician = 320

rare
hellcannon = 205

Total = 2996

Here are some changes to the original list. How should I try to get another hellcannon in there? I was thinking about cutting out the champs in the infantry blocks, plus the rapturous standard, but that would only give me about 60 points to use. I guess I could drop another knight from each unit (don't really want to though) and change all the mark to Tzeentch. Any thoughts?

Personally 6 knights hit hard enough I would give mot knights the blasted standard for a good save against shooting.

Drop the knight champ 2 blocks of 6 knights is pretty nasty as is so I wouldn't really run a 3rd unit since they are meant to flank and 3 units if knights could over crowed and make it difficult for you to move.

Maybe un mount the bsb since he does better with infantry support and since knights and infantry worktogether you can save a few points and have him still help the knights with the re rolls which they won't need if a unit of warriors takes the front of an enemies block.

I already have a list that is infantry based with a chosenstar and warshrines and my MoT knights have the blasted standard. I would also think that moving 3 units of knights would be much easier and less crowded than another large block of infantry. Anyway, I am trying for something different that uses a lot of knights. I might go ahead and drop the knights down to 6 anyway, to fit in another hellcannon. Maybe I will just start over and fill in with as many knights as I can then worry about the rest. I have 30 knights I am trying to make use of plus 60 marauders, 36 warriors, 30 hounds, a demon prince and working on at least one hellcannon.

Try a bunch of kinght units and as core use marauder horse men.

Unfortunately, I don't have any marauder horsemen and don't have the money to get that many of them. I think I would rather get more warriors to replace the marauder horde than use all marauder horsemen. I guess it is time to go back to the drawing board.


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How about this list?


lord
demon prince - lv 2 wizard, MoT, 3rd eye, roar = 440

hero
exalted - BSB, MoT, talisman of endurance, charmed shield, iron curse icon, halberd = 189

core
17 warriors - shields, MoT, command = 322
18 warriors - halberds, MoK, mus, standard, flaming standard = 346
50 marauders - gw, MoK, command = 300

special
6 chaos knights - MoT, command, banner of rage = 345
6 chaos knights - MoK, musician, standard bearer, ranger's standard = 350
6 chaos knights - musician = 250
6 chaos knights - musician = 250

rare
hellcannon = 205

Total = 2997

Or I could drop a unit of knights ( ) for a second hellcannon and a unit of 7 hounds or something else (rapturous standard and a magic weapon for the BSB)

I like it haha try that and see how it works looks like it would be nasty.

I rather like that last list. The lack of a second wizard makes me a little nervous, but hell, it's cool, and you have some hell cannon shooting to at least put some wounds down field after an embarrassing set of snake eyes on a casting roll, etc.

I might go so far as to say that units of knights 12 strong would be a good move, 6 wide and 2 deep. On the one hand you are not getting full mileage out of those in the second rank, but on the other you can disrupt ranks from the flank and keep doing it every round for a bit. Losing combat, and thus your MoK, after a lot roll to wound is pretty rough. Plus, the points saved by getting rid of the two extra musicians can pay for some warhounds to help position enemies a bit better.

Really, it looks like a very solid list, even if daemon princes make me wince a little. (No armor save what?!) I think if I were going for a HARD RAWR list I would pull the DP in favor of a Level 4 and maybe a little level 2, but really I think the DP is cooler all around. Plus, with a Hellcannon you have a second target for warmachines, so you don't have to worry as much there.

Thanks for the input. I was thinking about disrupting when I made the first list and making the knight units at least 10 strong, but I figured they will be chasing everything else on the table down first and when they do hit a flank, it will be with a unit that is already in combat with one of my infantry blocks. If I went back to the 10 knight units, I would only be 25 points away from another hellcannon

It seems that I am always in a state of confusion when building lists.

here is what I suggest build your lords and heroes first and take the units you want then fill in the blanks and make changes accordingly it makes it a little easier because then you have an idea of the amount of points you have to work with.

Well, the plus side with disruption is that if you do have a unit to the enemy's front you get your rank bonuses but they don't get theirs. That's another 1-3 points of combat res essentially for free. The trouble with Frenzy is that even if you don't run from combat, losing at all will cost you a mess of attacks, so I think making sure you come out on top is very important, even if you don't break them due to steadfast right away.

True but the down side is to 10 knights you loose 1 and there go your ranks and your disruption :(

5 or 6 per unit will just crank out attacks and with a unit at the front the knights have little to worry about unless you have set yourself up for a flank charge.

Yea, I would run units of 12 since he has the models, and loves them so.

Yes for sure mot and blasted standard haha and whats not to love about knights?

I like the blasted standard, but see it everywhere and wanted to try something different. The rage banner give me frenzy all the time. I was planning on using terrain to hide my ranger unit and do some unexpected charges with them.

I run rage banner with halberd tz warriors works like a charm.

cowpow16 wrote:here is what I suggest build your lords and heroes first and take the units you want then fill in the blanks and make changes accordingly it makes it a little easier because then you have an idea of the amount of points you have to work with.

I pretty much have that. What I wanted was a demon prince, bsb, warriors, knights, and hellcannon in a small elite army. I guess this is the list I will be building.

lord
demon prince - lv 2 wizard, MoT, 3rd eye, roar = 440

hero
exalted - BSB, MoT, talisman of endurance, charmed shield, iron curse icon, halberd = 189

core
17 warriors - shields, MoT, command = 322
18 warriors - halberds, MoK, mus, standard, flaming standard = 346
50 marauders - gw, MoK, command = 300

special
12 chaos knights - MoT, command, banner of rage = 585
12 chaos knights - MoK, musician, standard bearer, ranger's standard = 590

rare
hellcannon = 205

Total = 2977

23 points to spend. Should I give my shield warriors halberds or my halberd warriors shields? Or do something else?

I would say give halberd warriors shields for that extra protection against shooting.

I would drop the halberd on the BSB and get a unit of warhounds (I guess you need 1 more point for that.) They would probably be pretty helpful in forcing hordes etc. to face the way you want before engaging.

How about this?

lord
demon prince - lv 2 wizard, MoT, 3rd eye, roar = 440

hero
exalted - BSB, MoT, talisman of endurance, charmed shield, iron curse icon, halberd = 189

core
17 warriors - shields, MoT, command = 322
18 warriors - halberds, MoK, mus, standard, flaming standard = 346
50 marauders - gw, MoK, musician, standard bearer = 292
5 chaos warhounds - 30

special
12 chaos knights - MoT, command, banner of rage = 585
12 chaos knights - MoK, musician, standard bearer, ranger's standard = 590

rare
hellcannon = 205

Total = 2999

Looks perfect.

Now let's see it painted