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2020/06/29 20:16:59
Subject: Blood Bowl News & Rumors: p#124 Ogres..( & Gnoblars)
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Ancient Space Wolves Venerable Dreadnought
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Nope, but it does seem like a good idea. Never heard of this old world alliance though. Could be good, depending on any cost changes. Hope they can take a big guy or I have no idea why haflings were even invited. Unless they can bring their chefs and hotpots with them…
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2020/06/30 00:11:36
Subject: Blood Bowl News & Rumors: p#124 Ogres..( & Gnoblars)
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Warning From Magnus? Not Listening!
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Im sure they will be able to take an Ogre or even a Treeman. I am not a fan of the mixed teams. Feels like the allies matrix in 40k, and that hasnt dont much to help the balance of that game. I know BB is an inherently unbalanced game, but each team has a weakness. Letting teams combine takes away those weaknesses makes the game less interesting IMO.
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2020/06/30 01:44:32
Subject: Blood Bowl News & Rumors: p#124 Ogres..( & Gnoblars)
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Veteran Inquisitorial Tyranid Xenokiller
Down Under
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Automatically Appended Next Post:
Underworld is a standard BB thing at this point, but the Human/Dwarf/Halfling thing is like one of the old DungeonBowl teams.
https://senshichamber.com/dungeonbowl/dungeonbowl%20teams/dungeonbowl%20team%20profiles.html
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Glory is fleeting. Obscurity is forever.
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2020/06/30 10:54:27
Subject: Blood Bowl News & Rumors: p#124 Ogres..( & Gnoblars)
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Frightening Flamer of Tzeentch
Manchester, England
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Yeah, the paint scheme reminded me instantly of the Doom Forgers, except regular humans instead of Werewolves.
Good to see a mixed team for the non-chaotic races, though. I've played a Chaos Renegades team since the rules came out and they're so diverse and so open to experimentation. Mutations are the thing that cracks them wide open, so it would be interesting to see what sort of options the Old World Alliance can take in contrast to that. Having Dwarfs AND easy access to faster players is potentially difficult to balance. While Renegades can be a potentially rough start leading to an absolute juggernaut of a team (with expenses to match), I imagine the Old World starts out fairly strong from the off.
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2020/06/30 11:29:05
Subject: Blood Bowl News & Rumors: p#124 Ogres..( & Gnoblars)
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Ridin' on a Snotling Pump Wagon
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squall018 wrote:Im sure they will be able to take an Ogre or even a Treeman. I am not a fan of the mixed teams. Feels like the allies matrix in 40k, and that hasnt dont much to help the balance of that game. I know BB is an inherently unbalanced game, but each team has a weakness. Letting teams combine takes away those weaknesses makes the game less interesting IMO.
Depends on the limitations involved, really.
For Humans/Dwarf/Halfling, you’ve an inherent mix of speeds involved. This could make it harder to maintain a cohesive formation. It can also lay a player open to a critical casualty, where a lynchpin of their formation gets nobbled or worse, sent off. If your Halflings were relying on a Dwarf for protection, losing said Dwarf puts a crimp in things.
They may also end up paying more for things such as re-rolls, fan factor etc to represent their greater flexibility.
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2020/07/01 19:27:03
Subject: Re: Blood Bowl News & Rumors: p#124 Ogres..( & Gnoblars)
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Courageous Skink Brave
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Would love to see the roster more like the Renegades where they also get one elf (maybe even one elf lineman from each non-dark-elf race), but it doesn't seem very likely.
There are a lot of different positionals shown in that picture; seems like you get to take at least one of each position from each team, which is pretty wild.
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2020/07/02 02:45:06
Subject: Blood Bowl News & Rumors: p#124 Ogres..( & Gnoblars)
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Warning From Magnus? Not Listening!
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Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: squall018 wrote:Im sure they will be able to take an Ogre or even a Treeman. I am not a fan of the mixed teams. Feels like the allies matrix in 40k, and that hasnt dont much to help the balance of that game. I know BB is an inherently unbalanced game, but each team has a weakness. Letting teams combine takes away those weaknesses makes the game less interesting IMO.
Depends on the limitations involved, really.
For Humans/Dwarf/Halfling, you’ve an inherent mix of speeds involved. This could make it harder to maintain a cohesive formation. It can also lay a player open to a critical casualty, where a lynchpin of their formation gets nobbled or worse, sent off. If your Halflings were relying on a Dwarf for protection, losing said Dwarf puts a crimp in things.
They may also end up paying more for things such as re-rolls, fan factor etc to represent their greater flexibility.
I almost certainly believe they will pay 70k for rerolls and that will hopefully be a balancing factor.
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2020/07/02 07:04:01
Subject: Blood Bowl News & Rumors: p#124 Ogres..( & Gnoblars)
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Ancient Space Wolves Venerable Dreadnought
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Probably. Also maybe a “bonus” rule like animosity? Or be really obnoxious and make the entire team loners.
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2020/07/02 13:13:40
Subject: Re: Blood Bowl News & Rumors: p#124 Ogres..( & Gnoblars)
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Fresh-Faced New User
Portugal
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2020/07/03 08:38:19
Subject: Re: Blood Bowl News & Rumors: p#126 mixed teams
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Frightening Flamer of Tzeentch
Manchester, England
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It looks like GW are rejigging the Underworld team so they can sell a team box for them which necessitates knocking one of the blitzers off the roster for a gutter runner. That way they can include a single Skaven sprue and two of the smaller goblin sprues to make up a box.
I wonder if they're going to do a box for Old World Alliance since you can't easily cover that one with just two sprues. But if they are, I would imagine you'd end up with a roster that consisted of at least one of every positional that comes on the human/dwarf sprues.
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2020/07/03 20:17:08
Subject: Blood Bowl News & Rumors: p#124 Ogres..( & Gnoblars)
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Dakka Veteran
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squall018 wrote:Im sure they will be able to take an Ogre or even a Treeman. I am not a fan of the mixed teams. Feels like the allies matrix in 40k, and that hasnt dont much to help the balance of that game. I know BB is an inherently unbalanced game, but each team has a weakness. Letting teams combine takes away those weaknesses makes the game less interesting IMO.
Assuming the roster is an ogre, a human sprue and a dwarf sprue, plus halfling linemen, the team will work out to be an interesting variant on the Chaos Dwarf roster, with more skilled average stat players instead of bull centaurs. I don't anticipate it will be anything to worry about.
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2020/07/04 11:46:51
Subject: Blood Bowl News & Rumors: p#124 Ogres..( & Gnoblars)
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Regular Dakkanaut
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squall018 wrote:Im sure they will be able to take an Ogre or even a Treeman. I am not a fan of the mixed teams. Feels like the allies matrix in 40k, and that hasnt dont much to help the balance of that game. I know BB is an inherently unbalanced game, but each team has a weakness. Letting teams combine takes away those weaknesses makes the game less interesting IMO.
Usually it's offset quite nicely, none of these mixed teams are Tier 1. They sit squarely in T2. Underworld has to deal with animosity and general low strength/armour across the board with the exception of it's trolls. It doesn't get any of the goblin secret weapons as positionals and didn't used to get gutter runners (only gets 1 now). Rumours are that the Old World Alliance will also have a load of animosity/loner across the team, which also handicaps them.
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2020/07/04 13:49:59
Subject: Blood Bowl News & Rumors: p#126 mixed teams
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Ancient Space Wolves Venerable Dreadnought
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So the mixed teams are on preorder today? Neat!
But, OK, what the hell happened to the Snotlings?
Weren’t they supposed to be next?
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2020/07/04 15:59:55
Subject: Blood Bowl News & Rumors: p#126 mixed teams
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Sadistic Inquisitorial Excruciator
USA
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Mr_Rose wrote:So the mixed teams are on preorder today? Neat!
But, OK, what the hell happened to the Snotlings?
Weren’t they supposed to be next?
My guess is that they are delayed due to Covid and the idea to put out these mixed teams and this new Spike popped up around March. The idea likely being that with the model presses silent so long(and once they fired back up they would be working overtime to build up a further stock of the new 40k boxed set) this way the specialist games division could give us some new stuff by just repacking old stock and not needing any casting time. That’s my guess for what it’s worth.
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2020/07/04 16:04:17
Subject: Blood Bowl News & Rumors: p#126 mixed teams
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
UK
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I'm fairly sure the idea must have been around earlier (if only to get the printing organised, though if they say made in the UK I could be wrong),
but I think your right in that they've been shuffled up the order so they don't have to tool anything (& maybe produce? in terms of man hours unboxing and reboxing stock is probably more expensive and slower than just running an existing sprue on the machines for a day especially if this ends up being a release which sells out suspiciously fast)
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2020/07/04 16:05:06
Subject: Blood Bowl News & Rumors: p#126 mixed teams
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor
Gathering the Informations.
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Or these were intended to come out before the Snotlings...
The Lumineth book from the army pack flatout says "April 2020" with regards to when the points were laid down...that means we're still back in April/May timeframe for releases.
The big exception to the rule is, obviously, the Indomitus box and New40k as those things likely had a lot of momentum established.
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2020/07/04 17:23:18
Subject: Blood Bowl News & Rumors: p#126 mixed teams
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Ancient Space Wolves Venerable Dreadnought
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Kanluwen wrote:Or these were intended to come out before the Snotlings...
The Lumineth book from the army pack flatout says " April 2020" with regards to when the points were laid down...that means we're still back in April/May timeframe for releases.
I suppose that’s plausible but then I don’t get why we had, like, zero build-up for the mixed teams? Of the next 2.5 releases were always going to be mixed teams then snots surely they would have mentioned the mixed teams sometime between the snotling preview and Thursday? Or did that happen and just got missed?
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2020/07/04 18:04:54
Subject: Blood Bowl News & Rumors: p#126 mixed teams
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Mr_Rose wrote: Kanluwen wrote:Or these were intended to come out before the Snotlings...
The Lumineth book from the army pack flatout says " April 2020" with regards to when the points were laid down...that means we're still back in April/May timeframe for releases.
I suppose that’s plausible but then I don’t get why we had, like, zero build-up for the mixed teams? Of the next 2.5 releases were always going to be mixed teams then snots surely they would have mentioned the mixed teams sometime between the snotling preview and Thursday? Or did that happen and just got missed?
Like Sabotage! said they were probably one of the next releases after the Snotlings and have simply been moved up the schedule, as they don't require any new production (some reboxing aside) and I bet most of the printed material was simply logistically easier for GW to get their hands on.
Blood Bowl is planned out 2 years in advance, so I highly doubt they just cobbled something together, especially given how art heavy the Spike! magazines are. I imagine GW are already in some form of production for at least the next 2/3 teams after Snotlings.
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2020/07/05 06:30:26
Subject: Blood Bowl News & Rumors: p#126 mixed teams
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Resolute Ultramarine Honor Guard
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So, what do you guys think of the leaked rules? The Loner on all the Dwarves/'Lings really hurts, but fortunately Dwarves are typically skilled players (having block to start with) so they aren't as reroll dependent for what they are really there for - hitting things.
It will suck for the 'lings for when they need to roll a landing check for the 1TT with the ogre.
I'm thinking of:
With the first buy being the Apo and then probably the runner
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warboss wrote:Is there a permanent stickied thread for Chaos players to complain every time someone/anyone gets models or rules besides them? If not, there should be. |
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2020/07/05 07:22:35
Subject: Re: Blood Bowl News & Rumors: p#126 mixed teams
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Frightening Flamer of Tzeentch
Manchester, England
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So are there any changes for the Chaos Renegade team?
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2020/07/06 08:47:09
Subject: Re: Blood Bowl News & Rumors: p#126 mixed teams
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Frightening Flamer of Tzeentch
Manchester, England
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Seen the leaked rosters now, so the answer to my own question is nope.
But the changes to Underworld, and the Loner/animosity rules on the Old World Alliance aren't great. It seems GW are just too afraid of ever creating new top-tier teams and feel like they have to hobble them in some way which, for a game I always felt was intended to lack balance, seems kind of dumb.
I'm considering a tournament with friends at some point where we remove the loner rule from big guys, keep the old Underworld roster, and even allow some experimental teams from FUMBBL (hello Troll team) and see how it goes. Maybe chucking Old World Alliance in there with the animosity removed from the Humans and replacing the Loner rule with it on the dwarves would be interesting too.
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2020/07/16 14:16:16
Subject: Blood Bowl News & Rumors: p#126 mixed teams
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Ancient Space Wolves Venerable Dreadnought
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Is there any reason to play on the Underworld pitch? Beyond the cool board anyway?
Most of the special pitches have some cost/benefit thing going on but the underworld one is just straight up “lol everyone gets stupid(er)!”
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2020/07/17 14:43:32
Subject: Re: Blood Bowl News & Rumors: p#126 mixed teams
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Courageous Skink Brave
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Underworld getting a Gutter Runner is a pretty big deal, imo. They didn't give him normal mutations (which would've been far too good) but he'll still be a really valuable asset to the team.
Random tangent... I just got thinking about mixed teams, and was hit with the concept of an Amazon team with Skinks and a Krox. I'd play the heck out of that team.
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2020/07/25 12:57:55
Subject: Blood Bowl News & Rumors: p#126 mixed teams
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Mr_Rose wrote:Is there any reason to play on the Underworld pitch? Beyond the cool board anyway?
Most of the special pitches have some cost/benefit thing going on but the underworld one is just straight up “ lol everyone gets stupid(er)!”
It is a crazy pitch. Underworld got low cost players, so it would be beneficial to apply global really stupid against a top tier team like wood elves.
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2020/07/25 16:20:56
Subject: Blood Bowl News & Rumors: p#126 mixed teams
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Ancient Space Wolves Venerable Dreadnought
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Baxx wrote: Mr_Rose wrote:Is there any reason to play on the Underworld pitch? Beyond the cool board anyway?
Most of the special pitches have some cost/benefit thing going on but the underworld one is just straight up “ lol everyone gets stupid(er)!”
It is a crazy pitch. Underworld got low cost players, so it would be beneficial to apply global really stupid against a top tier team like wood elves.
But is not blanket really stupid? It’s blanket bone ‘ead that turns into RS if you already have it. If anyone gets a virtual benefit of that sort it’s Snotlings with their four trolls who aren’t affected at all because they’re already really stupid, not underworlders. Good luck convincing your opponent to not veto the board rules unless your League Commissioner mandates them.
Maybe if it was as-is but players got extra SPP or regen or something to counter it…
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2020/07/28 09:37:23
Subject: Blood Bowl News & Rumors: p#126 mixed teams
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Yes you are right, it is bone head. Would it not be beneficial for underworlds to apply it globally against the majority of teams that are better?
I'm up for trying anything at least once, so I wouldn't veto it no matter what.
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2020/08/02 16:53:31
Subject: Re: Blood Bowl News & Rumors: p#126 mixed teams
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Looks like a new edition is coming. Via Garro on FB, unsure of original source.
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2020/08/02 17:00:45
Subject: Blood Bowl News & Rumors: p#126 mixed teams
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Is that really the best pose that they can come up with......
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2020/08/02 17:02:16
Subject: Blood Bowl News & Rumors: p#126 mixed teams
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Ridin' on a Snotling Pump Wagon
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What, the book cover?
Although there’s no clear pic, looks like an Orc & Goblin team is packed in too. I think I may even see a troll? The large model near the “3” on the middle pic (edit as I realised it could be construed I was having a pop at Chopstick. That is not the case!)
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2020/08/02 17:18:11
Subject: Blood Bowl News & Rumors: p#126 mixed teams
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Lots of rule changes, seem to be mostly good ones. Love the new humans and griff
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