Old INDEX Necron 8th Tactica - link to new codex tactics thread in OP

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**skoffs**

If you absolutely HAVE to take Sentry Pylons, they're probably best behind a Void Shield Generator, or maybe on top of a Skyshield.

**Klowny**

How else do we counter flyers? or deny our big guns getting shot off the board before we get to use them? I dont have the money to buy multiple TA atm and I'm never buying chinacast again (atrocious quality) so its either GA pylons or tesla for flyers, and DS for denial.

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Hey guys, just had a really nasty thought. It wont work well until the codex drops and we get an invuln save relic (fingers crossed so hard for this). But if we do, you take the CCB, screen with wraiths or scarabs (points dependent) and run it up the board to get into position.

You drop in your deathmarks into cover, get their normal volley off and then next round they get MWBD, so they hit on 2's proc MW on 5's.

I've decided to drop my FO in my list for these buggers, still DS, so kept safe, can retaliate against DS threats better, and have more purpose during the game. And pump out MW, which are pretty nasty.

What do you people think about the MWBD on the deathmarks?

**JNAProductions**

Isn't MWBD +1 to hit, and Deathmarks do MW on 6+ to WOUND?

**Klowny**

Your right. I got excited again. God damn it

Sorry guys!

**Odrankt**

The Sentry Pylon may not be as powerful as the Gauss Pylon but they are very cheap for the amount of power they provide. E.g. 1 Renegade & Heretics Laser Destroyer cannon is 78pts with 4+ WS, Heavy 1 S12 -4 D D6. So for 2 of them it would cost 156pts to get the same profile and power as the Sentry Pylon with the Gauss Exterminator which cost 8pts cheaper. Granted that the laser Destroyer can do extra D6 damage depending on what it rolls.

Yeah I know they don't have QS but with T7 should let them survive a few turns if not focused fired

Your new list looks good man, lots of mobility. Looking forward to how the Flayed Ones preform. I do feel like you should try fit a Triarch Stalker if possible because the re-rolling 1s really helped my Sentinel out. Especially when I rolled 4 1s on my hit rolls. Also surprised by no Cryptek. 4+ RP on the Tomb Blades made them twice as resilient due to having a better chance of getting them back. I presume your Scarabs will bodyguard your night bringer for the most part?

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Speaking of Deathmarks, a guy at the tournament who is somewhat close to the spoiler scene told me that Deathmarks will be able to do 2 damage instead of 1 for all it's wound rolls to make up for it's points while keeping the Mortal wounds on 6+. Take it with a pinch of salt as he didn't go into too much detail but it made me feel like DAs will be even better then before.

**torblind**

How do you fit one troops unit into battleforged, and patrol?

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Ah nm read the foc charts wrong

**Klowny**

I'm actually dropping my FO for deahmarks as they don't need to rely on a 9" charge to not die.

**Odrankt**

Based on my games I am not sure if I want Max Squads or min squads of Deathmarks.

Max Squads give - better survivability, more chance of RP going off, high volume of fire.

Min Squads - gives you more more ways of Deepstriking, can Deepstrike with enemy units so you can use that as a way to prevent your opponent from Deepstriking I to go positions. Better chance at getting line breaker, more objective securing and you can use your 1st few deployment as them so while you technically deployed nothing your opponent has so you have a better way of countering what they have.

I think in future I will probably run 1 fun squad of 10 and 2-4 squads of 5-6 per unit. Them, plus Sentry Pylons and Tomb Sentinel is 4-6 drops that don't actually appear on the table giving you the upper hand in deployment.

Kind of sad you aren't using FO Klowny, was looking forward to you report on them lol.

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10 Flayed Ones are 420pts so you could easily fit 1 squad of 9 and 2 units of 6 for the exact same points.

**torblind**

They still count as a "drop" during deployment, right?

**Odrankt**

They do yeah,so declare all your drops 1st, let your opponent do his units e.g. I put 5 in Deepstrike so he gets to out 5 units down right away. Then use that to your advantage to set up the rest of your army.

**BillyN831**

How do you guys spend cp points for Necrons? I save them for auto leadership passes. Any other good uses for them since we don't have a codex yet? Thanks.

**Klowny**

Spend 1 to reroll the roll off for first most games. After that it really depends.

**Odrankt**

BillyN831 wrote:
How do you guys spend cp points for Necrons? I save them for auto leadership passes. Any other good uses for them since we don't have a codex yet? Thanks.

I presume you play lots of Warriors because they are the only units that require Auto-passing morale

I usually spend my CPs on drawing new cards, re-rolling damage rolls and re-rolling D6 to hit rolls on my tomb Sentinel. Charges as well if they are needed.

**torblind**

It's always nice to be able to reroll that heart breaking ⚀ when you roll for damage with the Doomsday Ark.

**Lothmar**

If I have DDA at long range at deployment and then I move up 1-3 of them with Grand illusion, has the Doomsday ark been stationary to the point that it can use its high powered profile?

Or does deployment of DDA in general count as a 'movement' to the point that first turn we cant use high powered profile?

Just always bugs me when I deploy and nothing gets in range of the flayer array rapid fire, or at least its general range unless I decide 'Eff it, low powers still ok against what ima use the flayers on. Charge!'

**torblind**

Deployment does not count as movement, neither redeployment, but deep striking would

**Lothmar**

Can the tesseract vault use the same power multiple times in the same turn? Or does it have to use each power once assuming its on that point in the damage table?

**Klowny**

Lothmar wrote:
Can the tesseract vault use the same power multiple times in the same turn? Or does it have to use each power once assuming its on that point in the damage table?

Im like 75% sure it got FAQ'd into having to use each power and not using the same power 3 times.

**Lothmar**

Thanks all.

Am I dumb or is the TV actually a decent anti horde unit? Especially if they have a lot of units in a clustered formation to take advantage of auras etc (kind of like we do).

Effectively, put it on the board with Deceiver and have deceiver plop it down close, then it moves and runs in and is all but adjacent prior to shooting. Then if the enemy mobs around it to bring it down that that vengeance of the enchained chance with it's 4+, 2d6 inch range and d6 mortal wounds. *chuckle*

Dangit, now im imagining a suicide bomber c'tan build.

**torblind**

Sure, it's nice enough, the damage output is way better with other units, eg MWBD tesla for horde control

Edit : phone messed up the text

**arhurt**

is there any value to be gained for us from using fortifications or any of the Structures in the imperial Index?

I used a Void Shield Generator to protect Sentry Pylons in 7th, wonder if anyone has had any thoughts on how they could help us?

hiding Scarabs under Aegis to prevent them from being shot maybe? I know psychic powers can be cast outside of LoS, but at least it splits enemy fire between actual shots and Smites instead of letting them focus fire.

**torblind**

Skoffs mentions vsg for sentry pylons in the top of this page, otherwise I haven't given it much thought. There was some talk og landing pad for DDAs in the first days of 8th but think the consensus agreed it wasn't worth it

**Lothmar**

Does the word 'twin' in a weapon name for our army actually do anything? Or is it already calculated into the stat of the weapon?

ex: Twin tesla destructor being Assault 8 and Tesla destructor being assault 4 but the same stats on everything else?

Or am I thinking of 'twin linked' ?

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Also am I the only one that thinks the 'Obsidax' is kind of bleh, especially since warscythes are a thing? Or is it just crappy cause it's an ancient war relic and its legend etc became the reason why they created cool technology warscythes to emulate the world killer etc?

**arhurt**

Lothmar wrote:
Does the word 'twin' in a weapon name for our army actually do anything? Or is it already calculated into the stat of the weapon?

ex: Twin tesla destructor being Assault 8 and Tesla destructor being assault 4 but the same stats on everything else?

Or am I thinking of 'twin linked' ?

AFAIK the word Twin just splits it into a separate profile with already calculated stats (double shots) it prevents you from shooting at two different targets (like Tomb blades can do) with each weapon meaning all shots of the Twin HGC from a Stalker must go on the same target, for example.

**Hoodwink**

Twin means it's already combined into the profile. It is different, however, to having two of the same weapon due to split fire. If i have a twin 8 attack weapon and two 4 attack weapons, I can split fire the two attacks but not the twin.

Edit: ninja'd

**Lothmar**

With Wraiths, if I take whip coils that doesn't grant any extra attacks in melee right?

Also I can choose which weapon im using (though why would I choose the inferior one most of the time) correct?

If im using the whip coil special effect (ie someone kills one in a turn before I get to attack), are the attacks im making as normal with viscous claws or should I use the whip coils profile for damage?

Also can the particle caster be used in the assault? Or does it just get to shoot in the shooting phase even if in melee?

I assume the unit you are in melee with is considered the closest unit correct? Or can I shoot from melee into other nearby units?

**iGuy91**

I've gone up against AdMech recently, and did well at 2k against the x4 Kastellan Robot build with a datasmith to give them double tapping.

I fielded 12 wraiths + Praetorians to blitz up the field, and keep him away from the relic, but by the time he'd managed to clear them up, there was not much of him left, and we mathed out that he could not move far enough to catch the relic unit by the end of the game even if I did not table him first.

I've found I need to be play very, very smart to win with Crons nowadays. Got a game against Marines Friday. Should be good.

**torblind**

Did you tailor that list for the mission and the opponent?

**Cmdr_Sune**

Good job against AdMech, they seem nasty with the codex. What else did you have in the list except Wraiths and Praetorians?

**Lothmar**

Can partial models be in the Gauss pylon field and get the invul save? Or does the entire model have to be inside?