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2011/06/22 19:26:42
Subject: High Elf Swordmasters and Great Weapons - when do they strike?
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Battlefield Professional
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So there's a running dispute at my FLGS regarding swordmasters and whether or not they strike first with their greatswords.
Can anyone point me to any articles, or reference any GW articles, which would determine whether or not the swordmasters strike first?
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2011/06/22 19:44:05
Subject: High Elf Swordmasters and Great Weapons - when do they strike?
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Huge Bone Giant
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First.
First FAQ question in the official FAQ, here.
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2011/06/22 20:27:55
Subject: High Elf Swordmasters and Great Weapons - when do they strike?
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Paingiver
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Kiranth is correct, and remember with that rule if their Initiative is higher then their target they re-roll misses.
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2011/06/22 21:46:07
Subject: High Elf Swordmasters and Great Weapons - when do they strike?
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Killer Klaivex
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Remember that the rule for re-rolls is same init or higher.
So swordmasters re-roll to hit against anything that is Init 5 or less, that doesn't also have always strike first.
-Matt
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2011/06/23 00:15:00
Subject: Re:High Elf Swordmasters and Great Weapons - when do they strike?
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Fixture of Dakka
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High Elves do not have Always Strikes First. They have the army specific rule Speed of Asuyrian (not sure how that is spelled...) that gives them Always Strikes First with any close-combat weapon, period.
A small but signifigant thing to be aware of.
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2011/06/23 23:35:01
Subject: Re:High Elf Swordmasters and Great Weapons - when do they strike?
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Scribe of Dhunia
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Vulcan wrote:High Elves do not have Always Strikes First. They have the army specific rule Speed of Asuyrian (not sure how that is spelled...) that gives them Always Strikes First with any close-combat weapon, period.
A small but signifigant thing to be aware of.
How does that change things though? The rule states that all high elves with this rule gain the "always strikes first" rule. It's really not a significant thing to be aware of actually.
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2011/06/23 23:58:03
Subject: High Elf Swordmasters and Great Weapons - when do they strike?
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Fresh-Faced New User
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They have a special rule that gives them ASF with any ccw... facing an opposing unit with ASF, you go to I order.
So, really Speed of Asuyrian doesn't change things that much. Other than they keep ASF with Great Weapons.
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2011/06/24 00:02:44
Subject: High Elf Swordmasters and Great Weapons - when do they strike?
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Scribe of Dhunia
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You strike at the same time if you both have always strikes first, and no one gets the re-rolls (pg 66).
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2011/06/24 06:30:48
Subject: High Elf Swordmasters and Great Weapons - when do they strike?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Yes, as above - dropping back to I was 7th ed
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2011/06/24 15:50:35
Subject: Re:High Elf Swordmasters and Great Weapons - when do they strike?
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Fixture of Dakka
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The difference between Speed of Asuryian and Always Strikes First is that with SoA it doesn't matter what weapon you use, you still strike first all the time. It basically removes the 'strikes last' part of Great Weapons.
This is all on the HE FAQ, by the way.
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2011/06/29 10:06:17
Subject: High Elf Swordmasters and Great Weapons - when do they strike?
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Slippery Scout Biker
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yes, carefully re-reading that rule you will notice it is written "-Have the always strikes first special rule *regardless of what weapon they are wielding*"
as was said, the minor part of the sentence makes all the idfference
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