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Okay so my FLGS is attempting to put together a campaign in which you can build your own named IC, the TO running it will have final say on whether or not it will be allowed and what the final point cost will be.

My character concept would be that of the mythological demon(s) "Legion". Where as he has multiple possible profiles and the player must roll to see which version shows up (Very Chaosy IMO).

I think the base stats should be something like this:

WS BS S T W I A LD Sv
7 5 6 6 4 5 4* 10 3++/4++

*Legion is equipped with a Daemon Weapon

At the beginning of the game roll 1d6...

On a 1. Legion has been found wanting and reverts to a base Daemon Prince.
On a 2. Legion has been blessed with the mark of Khorne and Wings
On a 3. Legion has been blessed with the mark of Slaanesh and Wings
On a 4. Legion has been blessed with the mark of Nurgle
On a 5. Legion has been blessed with the mark of Tzeentch, Legion is now considered a psycher and may choose one of the following psychic powers for free.
On a 6. The player may choose which profile Legion takes during this battle.

Of course:
Fearless
Eternal Warrior

Optionals Psycher Powers if Legion assumes the role of Icon of Tzeentch:
Doombolt
Warptime
Winds of Chaos
Gift of Chaos
Bolt of Change

Rough cost...
200 Pts

Thoughts?

Sounds pretty good. My only objection woudl be that the basic statline is already a pumped up DP, so if you roll to get Nurgle you have a T7 DP on your hands.

With that and a 3+/4+ you might need to bump the cost a little.

One thought to make it bit more special. have the dice roll grant USRs instead of Marks of Chaos. Make this a special rule specific to Legion. Fluff it as e has garnered favour from all the chaos gods as he has been aroudn so long (or somethign to that effect). Also i would give him wings as part of his basic profile.

Example:

On a 1. Legion has been found wanting and reverts to a base Daemon Prince.
On a 2. Legion has been blessed by Khorne and gains the Furious Charge USR
On a 3. Legion has been blessed by Slaanesh and gains the Hit and Run USR
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~Not sure what you could do for nurgle as FNP on a T6 model might be a little overkill. Also no idea what USR would work for Tzeench either.

Praxiss wrote:Sounds pretty good. My only objection woudl be that the basic statline is already a pumped up DP, so if you roll to get Nurgle you have a T7 DP on your hands.

With that and a 3+/4+ you might need to bump the cost a little.

One thought to make it bit more special. have the dice roll grant USRs instead of Marks of Chaos. Make this a special rule specific to Legion. Fluff it as e has garnered favour from all the chaos gods as he has been aroudn so long (or somethign to that effect). Also i would give him wings as part of his basic profile.

Example:

On a 1. Legion has been found wanting and reverts to a base Daemon Prince.
On a 2. Legion has been blessed by Khorne and gains the Furious Charge USR
On a 3. Legion has been blessed by Slaanesh and gains the Hit and Run USR
...
...
...


~Not sure what you could do for nurgle as FNP on a T6 model might be a little overkill. Also no idea what USR would work for Tzeench either.

I like the USR's but thought they would be over the top with the added base stats.

T6 vs T7 really doesnt mean much other than str3 cant hurt you, str 4 still needs a 6 regardless.

Agreeably FNP, while it would be nice, is over the top on a Toughness 6/7 MC in this price range.

A 3+/4++ or even 3+/3++ is nice but easily overcome with current builds.

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Considering the other army alternatives, Mephiston, Abaddon, Dreadnight, Talos, Wraithlord. I think he is right in the middle of being HARD but not overly priced or overly powered.

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Maybe a good alternative is to take a Base Daemon Prince, add Abaddon's mark then the 1d6 for USR's?

Aren't pretty much at those stats now?

More or less...

Named version starts with higher toughness, 6... Capable of getting 7
Named version starts with a 3+/4++, Capable of getting a 3+/3++
Named version has a daemon weapon.

and so on.

Oh yeah, the Daemon Weapon. If you go with the Marks idea, does the daemon weapon automaticaly adopt that mark as well?

Do you have the Daemon Weapons adding +1S or D6 extra attacks or what? Can't remember how they work, i never use them myself.

Daemon weapons only add +1 str in case that there is no mark. They grant +1d6 attacks plus something nifty based on which mark.

So for only 200pts, you get a buffed-up DP with potentially T7 or 3++ Inv and a daemon weapon? Also, having wings on some but not on others would definitely be an inconvenience in terms of modeling. Basically, you'd have to have a magnetized DP, which not all can do.

I'd say bump his cost to 250pts, give him wings, boost up all his stats as if he had Abaddon's Mark of Chaos Ascendant and give him USR's instead.

For example:

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Legion.........250pts

WS BS S T W I A LD Sv
7 5 6 6 4 6 5* 10 3++/4++

*Legion is equipped with a Daemon Weapon

At the beginning of the game roll 1d6...

On a 1. Legion has been found wanting and reverts to a base Daemon Prince.
On a 2. Legion has been blessed by Khorne and gains the Furious Charge USR. In addition, he may re-roll all rolls of '1' to hit in close combat, and his Daemon Weapon operates as if he had the MoK.
On a 3. Legion has been blessed by Slaanesh and is a psyker with the Lash of Submission psychic power. In addition, his Daemon Weapon operates as if he had the MoS.
On a 4. Legion has been blessed by Nurgle and gains the FNP USR. In addition, his Daemon Weapon operates as if he had the MoN.
On a 5. Legion has been blessed by Tzeentch, Legion is now considered a psycker and may choose one of the following psychic powers for free. In addition, his Daemon Weapon operates as if he had the MoT.
On a 6. The player may choose which profile Legion takes during this battle.

Of course:
Fearless
Eternal Warrior
Wings

Optionals Psycker Powers if Legion assumes the blessings of Tzeentch:

Doombolt
Warptime
Winds of Chaos
Gift of Chaos
Bolt of Change

I like the USR changes, but I'm wondering if the whole character is overkill.

Then drop him to 200pts and just use standard DP stats buffed up by the corresponding mark.

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Legion.........200pts

WS BS S T W I A LD Sv
7 5 6 5 4 5 4* 10 3++/5++

*Legion is equipped with a Daemon Weapon

At the beginning of the game roll 1d6...

On a 1. Legion has been found wanting and reverts to a base Daemon Prince.
On a 2. Legion has been blessed with the Mark of Khorne and gains the Furious Charge USR. In addition, he may re-roll all rolls of '1' to hit in close combat.
On a 3. Legion has been blessed with the Mark of Slaanesh and is a psyker with the Lash of Submission psychic power.
On a 4. Legion has been blessed with the Mark of Nurgle and gains the FNP USR.
On a 5. Legion has been blessed with the Mark of Tzeentch and is a psyker and may choose one of the following psychic powers for free.
On a 6. The player may choose which profile Legion takes during this battle.

Of course:
Fearless
Eternal Warrior
Wings

Optionals Psyker Powers if Legion assumes the blessings of Tzeentch:

Doombolt
Warptime
Winds of Chaos
Gift of Chaos
Bolt of Change

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If you do increase it's Inv to 4++ or Toughness to 6, then you should increase its cost by about +20-30pts.

What I mean to question is he better than other similar top tier melee characters?

Abaddon's a few points more and I think he should be, he can ride in a landraider... He can attach to a squad granting him greater survivability...

Abaddon would likely win in a duel as well.

I'm just wondering if he is good the way he is or still needs tweaking.