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Alright, we're playing a 3 player game and opponent A blew up opponent B's land raider, so player B's squad disembarked, and he charged on his next turn. His DA book says the frag rounds count if he charges in the same turn he disembarks (but he disembarked in other players turn). Can he get his charge? I say no, but he is arguing yes, as it doesn't specify game turn or player turn. Need a response immediately, in game now

If I understand the situation correctly... uhhh that's a bit "No".

You can't benefit from a piece of wargear from a destroyed unit.

Thanks. Still a bit of an argument from him (if it wrecks instead, which it didn't anyway) but he agreed to this response. Thanks. Mods can lock if they don't feel it needs to be around anymore

If he didn't disembark the turn he assaulted, then no he doesn't get the grenades.

If it doesn't specify it means player turn. Page 9 of the rulebook and reaffirmed in the FAQ.

Also going off of what your friend is saying about the turns, the FAQ also states that whenever a rule talks about a "turn" to assume it means "Player Turn" unless specified.

Turn means player turn unless otherwise specified.

So unless he is in the land raider at the start of his (Player B's) movement phase he can not use the frag launchers.

Murrdox wrote:You can't benefit from a piece of wargear from a destroyed unit.

You can benefit from the frag assault launchers if you rammed a vehicle with the land raider and the land raider was destroyed, since the frag assault launchers rules say "Any unit charging into close combat on the same turn as it disembarks from the LRR or LRC counts as having frag grenades."

Thanks guys, I felt confident in my answer, I just wanted backup to show him everyone's opinions on it. All set now.

DeathReaper wrote:
You can benefit from the frag assault launchers if you rammed a vehicle with the land raider and the land raider was destroyed, since the frag assault launchers rules say "Any unit charging into close combat on the same turn as it disembarks from the LRR or LRC counts as having frag grenades."

Interestingly worded... but I think that rule assumes that the Land Raider in question that was disembarked from is still in existence when the assault occurs. True, the unit did disembark from the land raider this turn... but when they Assault, the Land Raider doesn't exist to give them the bonus anymore.

RAW, it sounds plausible. RAI....no fething way. Lol. Oh well, I guess that one sits with a TO's ruling. And since I still TO at my local tournaments (If I ever bother to show up)...it would never fly. I'd laugh at somebody attempting that and tell them no. The model giving the ability is gone.

Murrdox wrote:

DeathReaper wrote:
You can benefit from the frag assault launchers if you rammed a vehicle with the land raider and the land raider was destroyed, since the frag assault launchers rules say "Any unit charging into close combat on the same turn as it disembarks from the LRR or LRC counts as having frag grenades."

Interestingly worded... but I think that rule assumes that the Land Raider in question that was disembarked from is still in existence when the assault occurs. True, the unit did disembark from the land raider this turn... but when they Assault, the Land Raider doesn't exist to give them the bonus anymore.

All the Rule cares about is if the unit charged into close combat on the same turn as it disembarks from the LRR or LRC.

so if the terminators disembarked from the LRR or LRC that turn they get the benefit weather the vehicle is there or not, that is what the RAW says.

Basically you ask the question "did this unit that assaulted disembark from a vehicle with the frag assault launchers this turn"

If the answer is yes, then they get the benefit.