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According to rankingshq.com, Gaz Jones (1st Overall, although he also uses tyranids) and Stu Robertson (4th Overall, best general for Dark Eldar) are the top two dark eldar players in the United Kingdom. I found their lists posted and was quite surprised at how different they are from the lists that are commonly used in the US and Canada. The UK seems to be using webways a lot more. A post by stu on another forum indicated he would be incorporating them into his list soon. I will post the two lists here for the interest of all Dakkites:

Stuart Robertson Dark Eldar 40k Masters 2010 1750pts

HQ 1: Baron Sathonyx
HQ 2: Haemonculi, Shatter Shard

Elite 1: 5 Incubi

Troops 1: 5 Wyches, Haywire Grenades, Hek, Agoniser
Troops 2: 5 Wyches, Haywire Grenades, Hek, Agoniser
Troops 3: 5 Wyches, Haywire Grenades, Hek, Agoniser
Troops 4: 3 Wracks
Troops 5: 3 Wracks
Troops 6: 20 Hellions

Heavy Support 1: Ravager, Flickerfield
Heavy Support 2: Ravager, Flickerfield
Heavy Support 3: Void Raven, 3 Shatter Missiles, Toxin Missile , Flickerfield

Transport 1: Venom, Extra Splinter Cannon, Transports Troop 1
Transport 2: Venom, Extra Splinter Cannon, Transports Troop 2
Transport 3: Venom, Extra Splinter Cannon, Transports Troop 3
Transport 4: Venom, Extra Splinter Cannon, Grisly Trophies, Transports Troop 4
Transport 5: Venom, Extra Splinter Cannon, Transports Troop 5
Transport 6: Venom, Extra Splinter Cannon, Transports Elite 1

[TOTAL POINTS – 1,750]

Gaz Jones Dark Eldar 40k Masters 2010 1750pts

HQ 1.1: Haemonculi, Webway Portal
HQ 1.2: Haemonculi, Webway Portal
HQ 1.3: Haemonculi, Webway Portal
HQ 2.1: Haemonculi
HQ 2.2: Haemonculi
HQ 2.2: Haemonculi

Elite 1: 9 Incubi
Elite 2: 3 Kabalite Trueborn, 2 Dark Lances
Elite 3: 3 Kabalite Trueborn, 2 Dark Lances

Troops 1: 10 Wyches, Haywire Grenades
Troops 2: 10 Wyches, Haywire Grenades
Troops 3: 10 Wyches, Haywire Grenades
Troops 4: 3 Wracks
Troops 5: 3 Wracks
Troops 6: 3 Wracks

Heavy Support 1: Ravager, Grisly Trophies
Heavy Support 2: Ravager, Grisly Trophies
Heavy Support 3: Ravager, Grisly Trophies

Transport 1: Raider, Grisly Trophies, Transports Troop 4
Transport 2: Raider, Grisly Trophies, Transports Troop 5
Transport 3: Raider, Grisly Trophies, Transports Troop 6

[TOTAL POINTS – 1,750]

Guess Stuart hasn't had to play against alot of mech list, as it looks like lance heavy Mech DE list would have its way with his list, Gaz as well seems like it would suffer against a mech DE list, and badly at that...

Yeah... I don't get it. I don't know how these lists would work. Initially I thought the 3x wrack squads were there so that an IC could jack their pain token and then they could hang out in back together and maybe score on a rear objective, but....there's really not enough room in the transports for such shennanigans.

If this was just some list that got posted, I'd probably offer several changes, but maybe I'm just not understanding how they're supposed to work

I can't say I like either list. Stuart Robertson's list seems the better of the two. I don't get how Gaz Jones' list could compete at a high level. Credit given where it is due; these guys must be good players.

It seems to me that with gaz's list you are throwing the 3 lots of wracks plus haemys at the enemy turn one. You then deploy all 3 WWP on T2 and all your CC starts to come in using them from reserve. This is backed up by the firepower on the board. Having the troops reserved keeps them from being jibbed early in objectives games.

I'm new to Dark Eldar so these lists are at least interesting to see how they work.

I think the Wracks are cheap objective scoring units while the Hellions make a possible a moving shield for the Venoms behind.

Second list the Haemonculus I think will split up (can they do that?) and join units to give pain tokens, but only can join the Incubi and Trueborn as I suspect the Wytches will be in a Raider. Though I really think the transports will start empty and everything come on the board via web way portal while the transports just act to add dark lances.

Wracks = cheap tough access to a transport?

Also in the UK games are typically 1000-1750 whereas in the US its 1500-2250 which makes a big difference

The metagame must be pretty different in the UK than in Canada/USA. The first list has, not counting Haywire Grenades, eight anti-tank weapons. That's enough to, on average, get about one roll on the glance/pen chart after cover saves each turn. The second list has 16, which I think is barely enough for 1750 points.

Obviously, they're doing well over there with these lists. I wonder if the heavily mechanized lists prevalent on this side of the pond are as common in merry old England....

Maybe they are the best DE players because the other 2 DE players in the UK are in the process of selling their army.

3 WWP's in a list seems like wasted points.

Interesting to note that both players use Incubi, a unit generally regarded as a poor choice.

Agree on the WWPs. I really don't get what they're for in that list, especially noting the lack of Beastmasters.

Neither of those list look particularly dangerous to me.

Skill as a general probably has a lot to do with their records.

Well, I don't get it either. Both lists have too less anti-tank and the 2nd list has 3 WWPs - I think 2 should suffice here.

I think you'll find here in the UK tournament lists are nothing like lists you see here on forums.

mercer wrote:I think you'll find here in the UK tournament lists are nothing like lists you see here on forums.

What list do we find there? Less mech, less spam, less competitive?

wuestenfux wrote:

mercer wrote:I think you'll find here in the UK tournament lists are nothing like lists you see here on forums.

What list do we find there? Less mech, less spam, less competitive?

Or more imaginative/willing to try out new tactics? Or better generals? Maybe the internet is a lie?

mercer wrote:I think you'll find here in the UK tournament lists are nothing like lists you see here on forums.

TBH, I've always though of forum lists as lists that aren't meant for skilled play. They usually revolve around wargear spam like veterans in chimera spam, psycannon spam, razorback spam, this spam, that spam. Also, all of them always seem to be built around a map is completely barren with no cover where all units will be able to fire but deal mathhammer damage.

Phototoxin wrote:Wracks = cheap tough access to a transport?
Also in the UK games are typically 1000-1750 whereas in the US its 1500-2250 which makes a big difference

Hahahaha oh why am I not suprised.

That's what 500 points more looks like, people.

terranarc wrote:

mercer wrote:I think you'll find here in the UK tournament lists are nothing like lists you see here on forums.

TBH, I've always though of forum lists as lists that aren't meant for skilled play. They usually revolve around wargear spam like veterans in chimera spam, psycannon spam, razorback spam, this spam, that spam. Also, all of them always seem to be built around a map is completely barren with no cover where all units will be able to fire but deal mathhammer damage.

Forum or spam lists aren't anything to do with skilled play, people just believe that. They still can be used wrong if the tactics aren't right. Spam lists just find something good and repeatively take it. Though this is another discussion altogether.

Something else to consider is the performance of Team USA at the European Team Championships...

How and what was that?

Basically, the ETC is a Team Tournament comprised of Players from various nations from around Europe and the World. Last year the United States was supposed to be a major contender and pretty much sweep the tournament. In reality, this was not the case and team USA placed 5th overall. The results for other nations can be seen in following this link:

http://www.rankingshq.com/etc/tournamentprofile.aspx?EtcId=2&GameSystemId=3

I think that the lists work. And they have given me so new insight on tactics I never thought of
if you notice, there are a lot of grisly trophies on the transports in the second list. I belive th wracks are just a cheap option for a transport. And with everything having grisley trophies, cc units that take heavy damage in theturn after they win combat won't run, and can get into an empty transport for a 18+ inch assault instead of getting eaten by fire. 12 splinter cannon shots don't hurt either.

At the European Team Championships that were cited by Unholy Martyr, you will find that Gaz was on the English team (although playing eldar this time) and Stu was the best general overall for Dark Eldar, playing on the Welsh team.

Yeah...forgot to mention that.

terranarc wrote:

mercer wrote:I think you'll find here in the UK tournament lists are nothing like lists you see here on forums.

TBH, I've always though of forum lists as lists that aren't meant for skilled play. They usually revolve around wargear spam like veterans in chimera spam, psycannon spam, razorback spam, this spam, that spam. Also, all of them always seem to be built around a map is completely barren with no cover where all units will be able to fire but deal mathhammer damage.

Phototoxin wrote:Wracks = cheap tough access to a transport?
Also in the UK games are typically 1000-1750 whereas in the US its 1500-2250 which makes a big difference

Hahahaha oh why am I not suprised.

That's what 500 points more looks like, people.

Absolutely great. Lol. I was always wondering why they play at higher pt levels in the States.