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Made in us
Sinewy Scourge







So, I've finally started playing full 2k games with my Dark Eldar and I've observed people using Wracks, honestly pretty incorrectly.
I've HEARD (grain of salt engaged) that Wracks are the tournament standard CC choice as opposed to Wyches.
Some advantages I see with both:
Wyches:
-4+ in combat counters Power Weapons
-Fleet allows more movement and lets them charge around things
-Initiative 6 is pretty good.
-Combat drugs are awesome, especially +1 A, +1 S and Rerolls to Wound (extra pain token is meh since I use Haemies)

Wracks:
-4+ wounding helps against MC's
-T4 and FnP means they can survive at least a bit more shooting
-Liquifiers.

So, the question is, which is really better? I've sort of been ingrained that Wyches are better due to seeing usage of the 3rd Edition codex and the 4+ in combat as I fight against a lot of Terminators.
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Kabal of the Void Dominator - now with more purple!

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Feasting on the souls of unworthy opponents

I'm a heavy tournament player, and I've actually never seen wracks fielded, so I don't know if I'd buy that they're the "tournament standard" for CC.

My tastes lie in beasts and wyches.

The advantages you noted for wracks....are offset by a couple things.

-4+ wounding helps against MCs: All splinter weaponry wounds MCs on a 4+ with the added advantage of not needing to be in close combat to do so. Dark Lances wound them on a 2+, and they don't get any armour saves either. Neither wyches nor wracks are the answer to dealing with MCs in close combat.

-T4 and FnP means they can survive at least a bit more shooting: I run wyches with a haemonculi, so they have FnP already. If their transport gets shot down, they're in cover, and sitting on a 4+/4+. In close combat, they have a 4++/4+, opposed to the wracks having 6+/4+.

-Liquifiers: Since we're talking about the "tournament scene" here, I'd tell you that good opponents won't let you do much with a flamer template. Combine sketchy target opportunities with variable damage potential...and you're in Ork territory. None of those are really benefits.

Where Wracks *do* shine is this: They start with a pain token for FnP, can be paired with a haemonculi to give them Furious Charge...making them deadlier on the assault than they otherwise would be. Alternatively, you can take them in units of 3, paired with a haemonculi with a webway portal, clone the unit, and have a good start to a WWP army.

   
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England.

Wracks are much better at killing basic troopers without power weapons due to liquefiers (possibly the best flamer weapon in the game) and poison (especially with an attached Haemonculi). However they fold against anything with a power weapon and vehicles.

Wyches however, are better generalists with the expense of some infantry killing potential. They can take haywires to kill vehicles and the 4++ save adds a huge amount to their life time.

Most people on dakka run wyches due to that flexibility in role saying that with poisoned weapons coming out of their ears anti infantry isn't lacking for DE and wyches perform better against problem units and especially vehicles than wracks. The vehicle hunting role really gives them the edge in a mounted environment.

Myself, I quite like running both in tandem with each other. Wracks clear troops off objectives and wyches engage and hold up major threats. Their targets are pretty much diametrically opposed. Wyches hit elites and vehicles and Wracks hit basic infantry.
   
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Sinewy Scourge







Thanks.
It's good to know I'm not the only one who thinks Wyches are better.
I personally really only use them for the Agonizer, 4+ Inv in combat, and Fleet.
Anything else is a bonus.

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Feasting on the souls of unworthy opponents

I use wyches for the haywire grenades. Anything else is a bonus.

   
 
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