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So I had an interesting few games yesterday with my tomb kngs. In the first game I pretty well annihilated a high elf player. That player wound up being the judge for the second 2-v-2 and I spent the entire time having to argue the way he interpreted the rules (every time to my detriment).

Here is one example and I want to hear your opinion:

In the metagame he encouraged the lizardman opponent to take a scroll which allowed him to target a character and force that character to take wounds until they make a toughness test. He argued the keeper of the casket is a character as it has its own stat line ect... I argued it was crew for the war machine as it didn't say Infantry (Character) in its descriptor. What is your opinion?

Another argument was I cast an amped augment spell which hit all friendly units within 12". At the time that was my entire army. All of those units got the d3+1 regen as they were targeted by an augment spell. He said only the unit the caster was in got the resurrected skeletons. That one ended with "we'll play with it that way and I'll just call on it later". He also argued the casket, which has the Nehekharan Undead special rule, did not benefit from the resurrection as its a war machine.

Back me up folks?

Looks like in all those cases, he was wrong.

-Matt

The rule clearly states the casket has a crew - 3 skellis that means. Plus it´s a warmashine.
On the other thing, well, seems Matt beat me to it. That HE player had no clue and/or tried to fool you b/c he got annihilated earlier by you.

Yup, he was wrong, in all cases.
This is why pick-up games can go wrong (ie people holding grudges unfortunately)

1) the keeper is not a character, hes a model. second he is crew for a war machine and specifically under the war machine rules unless you are in close combat the crew is not an individual they are all part of a single entity "the war machine". and a war machine is still not a "character". having an individual stat line does not make you a character ex unit champions are not characters, see WoC eye of gods rule for an example.

2) uhm.... was the unit affected by an "nehkram" augment spell? yes, unit gains 1d3+1 skeletons, or in the case of other things they gain 1 wound.


that player was just trying to hose you.

It definitely benefits from the resurrection.

The only one to be careful with is the movement spell; this *specifically* only targets unengaged units, therefore if you are in combat you cannot gain models back, as you were not the target of the augment.

2000 Volts wrote:

In the metagame he encouraged the lizardman opponent to take a scroll which allowed him to target a character and force that character to take wounds until they make a toughness test. He argued the keeper of the casket is a character as it has its own stat line ect... I argued it was crew for the war machine as it didn't say Infantry (Character) in its descriptor. What is your opinion?

A character is essentially either a unit selected from the Lords or Heroes section of a Warhammer Armies book or in the case of units a model with its own statline that you must pay for on top of the generic model in the unit. In this case the keeper of the casket is NOT a character, a similar example that IS a character would be a Death Hag that buys a Cauldron of Blood.

2000 Volts wrote: Another argument was I cast an amped augment spell which hit all friendly units within 12". At the time that was my entire army. All of those units got the d3+1 regen as they were targeted by an augment spell. He said only the unit the caster was in got the resurrected skeletons. That one ended with "we'll play with it that way and I'll just call on it later". He also argued the casket, which has the Nehekharan Undead special rule, did not benefit from the resurrection as its a war machine.

All units in 12" is all units within 12" that in this case are Nehekharan Undead regardless of its unit type (unless explicitly stated otherwise in the spell description), he might as well have said no Settra isn't affected by this spell as his unit type is Chariot.