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I could use some help with how to use my WoC. I've played 3 games so far and lot 3. This streak doesn't bum me out but I would like to win the next game.

It seems when I play that my opponent causes my warriors to flee and then overruns them, wiping them out (thats 300+ points a squad!!!!). What would you suggest to counter running away. Leadership 8 just isn't good enough.

And Does a Lord on a Juggernaut of Khorne have a influence of 18 or 12 inches.

Some extra info: the next battle will be vs. a Bretonian Knight heavy army. I don't have a hell cannon . And I could use some help with what units to bring vs. him.

Well howdy there how many points are you playing and what's your army list if we knew that we/I migh be able to help ya out also a list of models that you have would also help alot.

I don't know about the jugger lord since I have never used him but if I did e would be runnin around killing stuff.

So ya army list list of models and points level we can then go from there

We played 2000 points. I had a juggernaut mounted Khorne hero (next game he may become a lord) and a sorcerer Lord of Tzeentch. 2 18 man squads of warriors MoZ full command. one 12 man squad of warriors MoN full command. 5 Knights MoK.

The only surviving units were the sorcerer 2 knights and 8 MoN Warriors. When I played Bretonia last time. I can't remember the specific wargear when I plyed then though.

I have:
-48 warriors
-15 Knights
-1 Khorne juggernaut
-1 Champion model (I usualy use him as a Sorcerer model)
-20 Marauders
-10 Warhounds
-I will be getting more sorcerer models when Storms of Magic is released (the two new ones look sweet, and like true chaos sorcerers).


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Next game will be 2500 points. Forgot to add that

You should go easy on the Knights, they are really expensive and so is MoN. Also, why do you field only 20 Marauders? They are gonna get beaten up pretty badly with that small size.

I can't really tell everything you should know but there are some obvious weaknesses you have there.

This is what I would do if you could proxy some stuff.

Sorcerer lord
mot
enchnated shield
talisman of preservation
disc
biting blade
Roar or stream of coruption
lvl 4

He flys around and blasts magic at everything and has 1+ armor 3+ ward.

A second sorcerer mot lvl 2 infernal puppet talisman of protection.

Bsb hero mot amulet of endurance charmed shield halberd iron curse icon.
Stick him in a unit of mot warriors that have the rage banner and halberds and shields it may be a bit costly but sooooo worth it.

A unit of hq howls t warriors with rap standard is a good anvil

tz knights with blasted standard with musician and STD no champ.

You shoul try to proxy a hellcannon they are great.

Make sure to take out a lot of knigts befor they get their attacks since your initiative is higher haha bu ya try to avoid getting combo charged and make sure to magic him haha.

That's what I would go with he rest up to you a flaming banner is great to take.

Lots of armor, plus frenzy, plus battle standards, plus a chaos shrine, plus a level 4 sorcerer makes Warriors of Chaos a contending army. Though every time I go against them I always annihilate the knights. I just use missile fire and eventually they will fail their saving throw.

Throw around some nasty tz magic damage plus nice little side effects are always fun haha especially treason on a big unit of M@A with halberds those guys do a good job of butchering each other with treason muahaha.

Gate way is great to either do good damage to like knight units or if you are lucky make them go poof.

Getting a hero is not the best but hey turning a 5 point marauder into a hero can really make a difference especially if they take a unit to lightly.

Pandemonium is really funny on big units that rely on a characters leadership makes those guys run really fast.

Seriously though, i'd lower the amount of Knights you have. They are really cool but honestly, 5 Knights usually get the job done. I would spend more points on more Warriors OR Marauders. Also, I would change all MoN to MoT.

I second that mot all the way.

cowpow16 wrote:I second that mot all the way.

Same old Cowpow, always Tzeentch!

I'm more of a Nurgle player myself, but MoT is great too, I go by the rule of Nurgle simply because you're guys are going to have more of a chance of killing the enemy as they are at -1 to hit you in combat, and an additional -1 to hit modifier at range, this means that you should have less casuaties, meaning you're guys won't fall back and you should win most combats you go in, after all, you are a WoC!!

That MoT sorcerer sounds like a great idea, and a hellcannon is really good in the bigger games, especially against magic armies such as Elves, the blasts do a lot of damage but so does the miscast rule for all wizards.

You better not be judging me haha I kid but ya tz good times.

Too bad nurlge dosnt help against cannons :( or tk archers.

But ya Tz magic the fun.

I plan on painting some nurgle warriors and knights when I finish the piles of knights and warriors that I still have to paint.

Hmmm I would drop the knigths and get more Warriors, Juggernaugth hero is alrigth, just remember toprotect him from warmacjines, except for that is looks good. Wardsave is also a fine thing you will find.

Now if you made him a tz hero and put him on a disc he can do more damage and live longer and move further.

The only thing the khoren hero does better is gets 1 more attack and 2 more armor but again is something like 30 some odd points cheaper for the tz one.

cowpow16 wrote:You better not be judging me haha I kid but ya tz good times.

Too bad nurlge dosnt help against cannons :( or tk archers.

But ya Tz magic the fun.

I plan on painting some nurgle warriors and knights when I finish the piles of knights and warriors that I still have to paint.

Yeah, Cannons are pretty annoying with Nurgle, but the only time you'll really be facing them is against Dwarves, and then it works against all the Thunderers and Crossbows

Nurgle Knights are what I reccommend, they are expensive, but are well worth it, think about it at long range with a -2 to hit modifier for most armies, that means Elves and the such are hitting you on 5's for the first turn, and they'd still have their 2+ save from it all.

Tzeentch is also good, great in fact for bigger units, as you won't need MoN as you're bound to get enough guys in the fight, In combat, Tzeentch Warriors are just great with Shields, giving you 3+ followed by a 5++, I'd suggest you either take one massive squad of warriors with MoT, or split them up into squads of 20 and give them MoN. Also, Take around 5-6 Knights with MoN, Knights are expensive but with MoN you should have plenty of them left to get into combat.

I would also reccomend a Hellcannon for long ranged support, they can be risky but they are also a great way of killing tough enemies at a range, where WoC lack in abundance.

I run my tz warriors in units of 18 works like a charm.

Tz knights with blasted standard amazing armor save plus great shooting ward save haha

The only downside to nurgle knights is ws to a minimum of 1 bah if they failed fear the unit would be useless muahaha but no :(

Nurgle magic mixed with shadow magic is a hoot and a half minus d3 str and or toughness then curse them oh you have no more str and or t oops you dead

Or theres my way of playing.....

lvl 4 MOT Sorcerer Lord on foot
with tali of pres
third eye
puppet or the +1 dispell staff

Festus

BSB with MOT

lvl 1 with beasts

50+ MOK marauders with GW and MOK (festus goes here...)

20 warriors/chosen (depending on point percentiles)

hellcannon that you use as a MC beatstike (dont shoot with it...charge with it, then shoot later if they run)

Where do you get beasts from as far as I know we cant take that...?

I would recommend shooting it instead took out my first sphinx the other day with 1 shot 6 wounds done woot.

Charge it after it has misfired and cant shoot any more.

Mok marauders is fun.

I hate that Chaos Shrine that gives gifts from the Gods. That thing is already sort of a tough unit and it buffs the Chaos units. I am not sure how I feel about the knights versus their point cost. I have on many occasions wiped knight units with skinks and poison blow darts.

Crom wrote:I hate that Chaos Shrine that gives gifts from the Gods. That thing is already sort of a tough unit and it buffs the Chaos units. I am not sure how I feel about the knights versus their point cost. I have on many occasions wiped knight units with skinks and poison blow darts.

That's 'Cos Skinks Are Pro

Always thought we could take beasts....=(
then you replace it with shadow or death

GoDz BuZzSaW wrote:

Crom wrote:I hate that Chaos Shrine that gives gifts from the Gods. That thing is already sort of a tough unit and it buffs the Chaos units. I am not sure how I feel about the knights versus their point cost. I have on many occasions wiped knight units with skinks and poison blow darts.

That's 'Cos Skinks Are Pro

Well when you are rolling 40 dice at that knight unit you are gonna get some 6s and 6s auto wound via jungle poisons. I one time had the knights charge my skinks and I stand and shot and wiped all 5 of them. when you are rolling 10 to 15 saving throws you are gonna roll some 1s and on a bad roll you will roll at least 5 1s.

Skinks are silly and so worth taking haha blow pipes.
Tz knigts withthe blasted standard are much more livable against shooting silly skinks haven't killed a knight of mine yet.

Also, give your knights the strider banner. I have seen them die to dangerous terrain tests while charging over woods and the like. Chaos knights are so damn expensive I often have a hard time thinking they are worth it. Though I have seen them be effective too. But with steadfast, ranks adding bonuses to combat resolution, and so forth I think you are better off taking more warriors on foot.

Just be careful of metal magic.....it works quite well against WoC

If your warriors are running away, then you're either really unlucky, or you're playing wrong. WoC aren't unbreakable, even if they are the most evil things in the world. You need to keep your BSB and General nearby as best as you can. Knights aren't as good as they once were, but they're still probably the best damn heavy cavalry in the game. Don't charge blocks of infantry in the face expecting to win. If you charge them in the flank though...

Also, when playing WoC, you need to play a bit of a points denial strategy when making your list. Everything WoC has, short of Marauders, is expensive. Therefore, any unit your opponent manages to wipe out will probably cost you the game. Abuse the fact that you only need a minimum of 3 units in any game. Rather than trying to field a bunch of units with WoC, you need to focus on fewer, larger blocks that can take more punishment than any unit ever should. WoC are the very best at this. Nobody wants to look across the table and see a block of 40 Chaos Warriors. It makes them sad. XD

40 warriors is just asking toget nukes by magic I like blocks of 18 supported bt hellcannons and a bsb mot and shields plus tz magic and well you end up loosing a warrir or 2 nut you kill a lot of enemies and even with ranks they still loose combat by atleast 6 good times.

Yeah, because magic is just SO dependable.

UberhAxTHC wrote:Yeah, because magic is just SO dependable.

I have taken out good chunks of hordes of Chaos Warriors with Metal Magic. Sometimes it only takes one spell, but I do agree with you that Magic is not 100% reliable. Being a Lizardmen army player I can attest that many times has magic failed my Slaan Mage Priest. However, when it does finally work it is pretty sweet.

When you've put your opponent in a position that he has to hope dearly for something to work in his favor, you're doing it right. Also, dispel scrolls.

GoDz BuZzSaW wrote:I'm more of a Nurgle player myself, but MoT is great too, I go by the rule of Nurgle simply because you're guys are going to have more of a chance of killing the enemy as they are at -1 to hit you in combat, and an additional -1 to hit modifier at range, this means that you should have less casuaties, meaning you're guys won't fall back and you should win most combats you go in, after all, you are a WoC!!

Dunno if it's already been mentioned, but it's only a -1 to hit in combat if your target is WS3 or WS6. Anything worse than WS3 already hits on 5+, anything better than WS6 will still hit you on 3s (assuming MoN on Warriors). MoN is -1 to hit when the target of ranged attacks, but only -1 WS when targetting a model with MoN in combat, not -1 to hit. It's for that reason that MoT is generally considered better than MoN, especially when combined with the Parry Save.

UberhAxTHC wrote:When you've put your opponent in a position that he has to hope dearly for something to work in his favor, you're doing it right. Also, dispel scrolls.

You can only have one dispell scroll per an army since all magic items are unique now and with Slaan and cupped hands I don't mind tossing 5 or 6 dice at something to get off irresistible force since I can hand off my miscast to the enemy mage. Hoping dearly for something to work and playing your odds are two completely different things. It is in my favor to do such things and against WoC and metal magic I can take away their armor. However, they are still frenzied with tons of attacks and higher initiative than me, so it doesn't always end the game or anything.