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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/07/02 18:49:42
Subject: 1750 Eldar for tournament
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Nasty Nob
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Will enter a tournament soon and thought I'd post my list here to see what you think. Note however that my supply of units is slightly limited, so I do not have very much else than what I am including here (but if there's something you think I should add I might of course have it).
Farseer - 175
Runes of Warding and Witnessing, spirit stones, doom, fortune, mind war
Avatar - 155
10 Dire Avengers - 152
Exarch, 2 catapults, Bladestorm
10 Guardians - 135
Scatter laser, warlock with conceal
3 (4) Jetbikes - 134
Shuriken cannon, warlock with singing spear and destructor
6 Fire Dragons - 248
Exarch with Tank Hunters, Wave Serpent with scatter lasers and spirit stones
5 Wraithguard - 348
Warlock with conceal and singing spear, Wave Serpent with EML and spirit stones
Wraithlord - 125
Wraithsword, EML
Fire Prism - 170
Shuriken Cannon, holofields, spirit stones
3 Dark Reapers - 105
How does it sound? The main thought is that dragons (duh) and wraithguard are the main anti-tank (if needed,so is also the prism), the tanks and other infantry shoot infantry and the lord and avatar kill whatever remains, in cc.
I am thinking a little about removing the reapers and adding something else, however I am not sure what that would be...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/07/04 14:22:36
Subject: 1750 Eldar for tournament
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Nasty Nob
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Nobody says anything, so I assume you find this list a completely perfect 1750 pts Eldar list.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/07/04 14:56:24
Subject: Re:1750 Eldar for tournament
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Sinewy Scourge
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Farseer - 175
Runes of Warding and Witnessing, spirit stones, doom, fortune, mind war
Why not free up 35 points and take Eldrad? He is a better choice for the points. Redeployment will also be helpful for this slow army.
Avatar - 155
He's fine.
10 Dire Avengers - 152
Exarch, 2 catapults, Bladestorm
10 Guardians - 135
Scatter laser, warlock with conceal
In a foot list I suppose these are fine. I'd consider more bodies here if you have them.
3 (4) Jetbikes - 134
Shuriken cannon, warlock with singing spear and destructor
There is no synergy here. These massively out pace your list and don't fit.
6 Fire Dragons - 248
Exarch with Tank Hunters, Wave Serpent with scatter lasers and spirit stones
5 Wraithguard - 348
Warlock with conceal and singing spear, Wave Serpent with EML and spirit stones
Why are you running a mech foot hybrid? Why bother with the Exarch or really the Wraith Guard at all?
Wraithlord - 125
Wraithsword, EML
Fire Prism - 170
Shuriken Cannon, holofields, spirit stones
3 Dark Reapers - 105
None of this works together. The Wraith Lord doesn't work on it's own. Neither does a Prism. Multiples are necessary. 3 Reapers? Why?
How does it sound? The main thought is that dragons (duh) and wraithguard are the main anti-tank (if needed,so is also the prism), the tanks and other infantry shoot infantry and the lord and avatar kill whatever remains, in cc.
I am thinking a little about removing the reapers and adding something else, however I am not sure what that would be...
I just don't see this as remotely competitive. It seems like you just have lots of units that you like based on looks and without any concern for how they work together. You have three vehicles, 2 random monsterous creatures, 1 static 3 man unit, a small foot force, and random bikes. Nothing here fits together.
If you have other units please post them so that maybe something can be salvaged. Do you have more infantry or vehicles? I'd go either all mech or all foot.
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2nd Place 2015 ATC--Team 48
6th Place 2014 ATC--team Ziggy Wardust and the Hammers from Mars
3rd Place 2013 ATC--team Quality Control
7-1 at 2013 Nova Open (winner of bracket 4)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/07/04 15:02:12
Subject: Re:1750 Eldar for tournament
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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JGrand has pretty much summed it up for you.
Firstly you need to decide if you want to run a foot or mech list. Both can work well for Eldar.
Your list here is geared up more towards a footdar list. What you need to do is drop the Farseer for Eldrad, drop the Wave Serpents, Fire Prism, the Guardian jetbikes (unless you just take 3, and keep in reserve for objective grabbing).
If you want Dark Reapers, take a bigger squad. minimum of 2 Wraithlords.
More Guardians with platforms.
If you want Wraithguard, take 10 with a Warlock to take them as troops, have something in front of them to give cover (like Guardians or Harlequins).
I don't actually play Eldar atm (and have never played footdar, just Jetseers) so am not an expert. What i would suggest if you don't get any more advise on this thread, go looking for tactic threads (i know there is at least one, as i started one asking for advice before) or other army lists.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/07/04 15:05:45
Subject: 1750 Eldar for tournament
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Land Raider Pilot on Cruise Control
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I was just about to post something very similar to JGrand's advice. Your list doesn't work well with itself. Find out what you want to do, mobile mechdar, resilient footdar or some sort of static shooting list. Because right now, you're doing a little bit of all three, and it's bad.
You don't have enough anti-tank in this list. Any remotely competitive 1750 point army would have no problem taking what you can throw at them here. Either mobilize your army, or buff it. Don't have a list that's a mix of both.
I would either drop points on the Farseer (you don't need witnessing/mind war) or upgrade to Eldrad.
Avatar is only okay, and even then, you need to be dedicated footslogging.
Random walking Avengers/Guardians aren't very good at all. Avengers need to be mobile to be of any value, and Guardians need to be in multiples shooting from cover, or left out of lists completely (which is the better option).
The Jetbikes are bad in this list. Either go mobile, or drop them.
Fire dragons are good. Drop the exarch and TH, you won't need it. 5 Melta shots is already overkill.
Wraithguard. Either go wraith-wall or don't. One squad here is kinda meh in this list.
As far as heavy support goes, Wraithlords are okay on footslogging lists if they can get a cover save from the wraith-wall, and Fire Prisms are good in a mechdar list, but they need to be in multiples. One of each is, again, bad. Drop the Dark Reapers altogether.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2019/02/20 03:10:36
Subject: Re:1750 Eldar for tournament
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Nasty Nob
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Ok, I hear you all. Problem is though that I haven't focused really on one theme when buying my units (as JGrand so accurately mentioned) so it is a bit hard to make completely mech or foot.
What I have apart from what is in the list is:
1 farseer
10 Banshees
2 more reapers
2 more guardians
5 harlies
6 scorpions.
As you see, I am running a hybrid because I am using what I have. Not sure what I should (or can) switch really, but taking in mind what you said, how does this sound:
Eldrad - 210
Farseer - 145
Runes of Warding, spirit stones, doom, guide, fortune
5 Fire Dragons - 210
Wave serpent, EML, spirit stones
10 Howling Banshees - 187
Exarch, acrobatic, executioner
10 Dire Avengers - 277
Exarch, 2 catapults, bladestorm, wave serpent, scatter lasers, spirit stones
12 Guardians - 151
Scatter laser, warlock, conceal
3 (4) Jetbikes - 134
Shuriken cannon, warlock with singing spear and destructor
Fire Prism - 170
Cannon, spirit stones, holofields
Wraithlord - 125
Wraithsword, EML
4 Dark Reapers - 140
That is in any case as far as I can go in a (fairly) mechanized army, I am not sure what more to put in.
Also, how depressing it is that multiples are so necessary. No variation at all.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/07/04 16:13:54
Subject: Re:1750 Eldar for tournament
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Sinewy Scourge
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Footdar is tough to run and not incredibly optimized for tournament play. Based on what you have:
HQ: Eldrad-210
HQ: Avatar-155
Elites: Harlies (5) all with Kisses, 1 Shadowseer- 140
Elites: Wraithguard- 5 with 1 Warlock with Conceal-215
Elites: Banshees-10- 1 Exarch with Executioner-182
Troops: Dire Avengers 10 with Exarch, Dual Cats, Bladestorm-152
Troops: Guardians 12 with Scatter Lazer- 111
Troops: Guardian Jetbikes (4)-88
Heavy Support: Dark Reapers (5) -175
Heavy Support: Wraithlord- EML and Shriuken Cat-125
This gets you to 1553. I think it's probably the best Footdar start you can run. I'd try to get some more Troops if you want to go this route. Put Eldrad with the Harlies so he cannot be targeted. Use the Wraith Guard and Harlies to screen the list and give you cover. Be sure to make good use of Eldrad's three powers.
Automatically Appended Next Post: If you have time and want to go this route I'd suggest another Guardian squad and another Wraith Lord.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2011/07/04 16:14:49
2nd Place 2015 ATC--Team 48
6th Place 2014 ATC--team Ziggy Wardust and the Hammers from Mars
3rd Place 2013 ATC--team Quality Control
7-1 at 2013 Nova Open (winner of bracket 4)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/06/21 16:21:44
Subject: Re:1750 Eldar for tournament
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Resourceful Gutterscum
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2nd list is a bit better, considering with what you have
I would get rid of the jetbikes and either replace them with scorpions or harlies
scorpions are nice i would keep them in reserve and then when they come in bring them as close as possible to the enemy(18 Los or 12 not Los) and if your lucky you can charge that same turn
harlies are really cool especially with the shadowseer but is rather hard for you to slog htem across the field
p.s.
if you live in Northern Ireland i could help you alot i have a 5k eldar army, and focusing on grey knights atm so not bothered about them.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/07/04 16:22:27
Subject: 1750 Eldar for tournament
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Nasty Nob
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I see. Perhaps that would be the way to go until I have what's needed for a more mech list. If so, I should consider buying another WL soon...
Wondering - Shouldn't I have warlocks to the guardian units, and a tempest launcher exarch for the reapers?
And on a different note, what is it that makes it really bad to have some of the units put in wave serpents, in a list like this? Some more protection can be useful, no?
@Magee - No, unfortunately I don't live in Ireland, but thanks for the offer.
edit: I just remembered that my wraithlord was really hard to paint withe scheme I chose for wraiths (lots and lots of white) so I dunno now if I should get another. I was thin king a little if I perhaps instead should buy a war walker or two, they seem quite popular in foot lists?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/07/04 17:35:03
Subject: 1750 Eldar for tournament
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Land Raider Pilot on Cruise Control
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I think War Walkers are good in groups of three, coming in from reserve w/ x2 Scatter Lasers on each one. That gives you 24 S6 shots coming in via Outflank. Even better if you have an Autarch adding +1 to your reserve rolls.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/07/04 19:07:18
Subject: 1750 Eldar for tournament
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Nasty Nob
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Quite hard (and a bit expensive) to acquire and paint three walkers so fast, but two might be possible... (and I am waiting for an autarch, btw) Ok, how does this sound:
Eldrad - 210
Avatar - 155
5 Wraithguard - 218
Warlock with conceal
10 Howling Banshees - 187
Exarch, executioner, acrobatic (its only 5 points, and might save my nose in a critical moment)
12 Guardians - 151
Scatter laser, warlock, conceal
10 Dire Avengers - 152
Exarch, dual catapults, bladestorm
4 jetbikes - 98
Shuriken cannon
Wraithlord - 155
EML, bright lance
2 War walkers - 140
2 scatter lasers, 2 EMLs, spirit stones
5 Dark Reapers - 207
Exarch, tempest launcher
That leaves me with 77 points left. I suppose I could drop something small and add 5 dragons, or anothr group of guardians?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/07/05 02:58:36
Subject: Re:1750 Eldar for tournament
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Gibbering Horde of Chaos
Ottawa Ontario, Canada
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Here's an 1850 list you can work with and build down from.
HQ: Farseer(55) + jetbike(30) + Fortune(30) + Singing spear(3) + Runes of Warding (15) = 133
Warlock(25) + jetbike(20) + embolden(5) + singing spear(3)
Warlock(25) + jetbike(20) + destructor(10) = 171
Warlock(25) + jetbike(20) + enhance(15) + singing spear(3)
Total 304
You could lose the enhance if you need the 15 points elsewhere as you don't really want to see the assault phase with these 4 guys unless it's cleanup.
Heavy:
3x War Walkers(90) + Scatter Lasers (90) = 180
2x Fire Prisms(230) = 2x Holofields(70) = 300
Total 480
I personally spam 9x War Walkers with Scatter Lasers but it's entirely up to you. 72 6 strength shots coming from the flank is sex.
Elite:
5x Fire Dragons(80)
Wave serpent(90)
Spirit Stones(10)
EML(30) = 210
5x Fire Dragons(80)
Wave serpent(90)
Spirit Stones(10)
EML(30) = 210
Total 420
On this, I occasionally field a third squad of these baddies in case I expect to see a slowed amount of Mechanized armies, check the army scene in your neighbourhood before hand.
Troop:
5x Dire Avengers(60)
Wave Serpent(90)
EML(30)
Spirit Stones(10) = 190
5x Dire Avengers(60)
Wave Serpent(90)
EML(30)
Spirit Stones(10) = 190
Total 380
The math makes sense with the Fire Dragons but if you need to skim the points for something you can lose the spirit stones from these 2 units.
Fast:
6x Warp Spiders
6x Warp Spiders
Total 264
If you haven't played with these guys please do so asap. They are not only one of the best things the long ears have going but they annoy the crap out of opposing players.
Grand Total is 1848 - Hope this helps
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/07/05 09:26:05
Subject: 1750 Eldar for tournament
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Nasty Nob
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Well, not very much to be honest - I said earlier what models I have to my supply, and not very much of what you included in the list is there. But I will keep in mind that list when I continue working on a more mechanized list.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/07/08 09:38:50
Subject: Re:1750 Eldar for tournament
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Nasty Nob
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Right, the list has to be sent in tomorrow, and as it seems I only have the resources for a footdar list, so here goes.
Eldrad - 210
Avatar - 155
10 Dire Avengers - 152
Exarch, 2 catapults, Bladestorm
10 Guardians - 95
Scatter laser
10 Guardians - 95
Scatter laser
5 Wraithguard - 218
Warlock, conceal
5 Dark Reapers - 227
Exarch, EML, Fast Shot
Wraithlord - 155
EML, Bright lance
10 Howling Banshees - 187
Exarch, Executioner, Acrobatic
5 Fire Dragons - 80
2 War Walkers - 120
4 Scatter Lasers
3 (4) Jetbikes - 131 (mainly harassment and last-turn object snapper)
Shuriken Cannon, Warlock, Destructor
1745 total. What I have left is 6 Scorpions, 2 Wave serpents, 3 Warlocks, 1 Farseer, 1 Fire Prism and 3 Shining Spears. Anything you suggest I switch?
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