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all right, I have zero painting skill, zero modeling skill, and no experience with warames except a birthday party where I played 12 hours of 40k. I am looking for modern or sc-fi wargame that reqiores 200$ or less to get 2 armies, that is no smaller than 15mm and no bigger than 28mm. any ideas? PS: I am the brother of KOVAV, just using his account to ask a question. he gave me his permission.
Another option would be The Korean War. This was largely an infantry war since the terrain made deployment of tanks difficult. Use WW2 plastic soldiers and a few kits for the tanks.
Korean War rules are a bit thin on the ground however there are a couple of sets worth trying on the Free Wargame site. The Storm Of Steel: Korea looks like it could be good, they are in the WW2 section. There are also some Korea rules in the Modern section.
A third option is Vietnam War. (Look in Modern on the Free Wargames site.)
Again, you only need infantry models unless you want to play with helicopters and tracks in which case there are plenty of 1/72 scale kits on the market.
Rules: Bodycount is still used but requires an umpire as well as players.
Painting your figures The great thing about 20th century warfare for the painter is that the uniforms were basically quite dull. Having chosen an army here is how to paint them.
1. Wash the figures and glue them to bases as needed.
2. Spray paint the whole army with soft plastic primer.
3. Spray paint the whole army with the predominant uniform colour.
4. Pick out the guns in wood and gunmetal.
5. Pick out the webbing if necessary, and boots, in black or brown leather. (US and British webbing was more or less the same colour as the uniforms.)
6. Pick out the faces and hands with flesh.
7. Dip the army using the Magic Dip technique. This gives shading and varnish at one go.
8. Spray everything matt varnish.
9. Detail the bases with sand, flock, etc.
Most Modern Historicals will be cheap enough to get 2 armies for under 200$. There is a wide range of miniatures and rules to pick from. Listing them here would be pointless, there are lots of sites which compare the major rules/miniatures.
What style game are you looking for? Even within the modern and historical categories there are lots of different types of games.
well, I do like the 40k ability to have the full spectrum of crappy goblin to nigh-invincible terminator. thats the only regret I have with modern warfare: their is no biological or technological infantry armor that can grant that kind of high end protection. I guess tanks could replace that as a role. the only thing that I MUST have is that it has some point value system.
Well i'm going to go ahead and assume you want a standard tanks and infantry game. If this is the case I reccomend you have a look at the following SciFi games (i'll try to include a few different scales):
Warpath- It isn't fully out yet but is in beta testing so the rules are on the internet. Judging by the speed mantic are moving at it shouldn't be long til we seem some sci fi ranges. The rules are free and the miniatures are cheap. It can be played at small 750 point games or can be scaled up to very large games. The rules are very different to what people are used to so people tend to either hate them or love them.
Urban War / Metropolis- Two games which use the same models. There is a skirmish game which you can then upgrade to a full battle game. Have never played so can't give any true judgement.
Future War Commander- This is a mass battle game. You can play it at 6 to 20mm and there are also rules for a skirmish rules. There are no dedicated miniatures but there are a lot of 15/20mm sci fi models and you can easily get a large army for under 100$. The book contains very detailed rules which let you calculate points for any army you can think of. There are rules for varying technology levels so it's even possible to do low tech future armies and use historical style minatures. It doesn't over emphasize any part of war so there is a good balance between aircraft, vehicles, artillery and infantry. A benefit of playing this type of game is that it's so easy to get a good looking army. Coloured blobs and a wash are all that is expected at this level and from a view above the table it still looks great.
I'll try to think of some more but nothing else jumps out.
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From my experience it's a game you either love or hate. The mechanics are very unusual. I have the book and I'm not entirely convinced. When I get the time i'm going to have a run through the getting started mission however I'm not very optimistic.
It doesn't have any kind of points system (or other way to balance games) which you said was a must. It's a very detailed game and very different to anything I have ever played. It's more about playing the most accurate representation of comabt possible than playing a game. If this is what your after than it's a great game but I feel it sacrifices the fun side to be more realistic. While many people claim the game isn't complex it's very involved. Individualy actions are very simple to resolve (almost everything always passes on a 4+) but when combined it's not an easy game to just pick up and play. It's very hard to explain but IMO it's lacking the "gamey" feel and so I feel like i'm just doing a reenactment rather than playing something fun.
If you want some more info search for ambush alley in the historical forum- BigP is a huge fan and has put up a lot of info on the game.
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KOVAV wrote:all right, I have zero painting skill, zero modeling skill, and no experience with warames except a birthday party where I played 12 hours of 40k. I am looking for modern or sc-fi wargame that reqiores 200$ or less to get 2 armies, that is no smaller than 15mm and no bigger than 28mm. any ideas? PS: I am the brother of KOVAV, just using his account to ask a question. he gave me his permission.
My answer would be INFINITY.
They have awesome models, free rules, free army builder and it is cheap.
4MA2: that pretty much blows AA out of the ball park for me. it must have a point system, and it must be a "game".
Boba: wow. that looks pretty awesome but....I looked at the warstore and the models cost like an average of 8$ a piece. they are truly beautiful looking. but thats expensive even by 40k standards!
Boba: wow. that looks pretty awesome but....I looked at the warstore and the models cost like an average of 8$ a piece. they are truly beautiful looking. but thats expensive even by 40k standards!
Only when you look at it like a game of 40k - which it isn't. Starter sets are around $50 with 6-7 miniatures, and the rules are available online for free. Since it's a skirmish game, you'll need 15-20 models max in order to play a full sized game at around 300 pts - and you can always play less.
KOVAV wrote:4MA2: that pretty much blows AA out of the ball park for me. it must have a point system, and it must be a "game".
Boba: wow. that looks pretty awesome but....I looked at the warstore and the models cost like an average of 8$ a piece. they are truly beautiful looking. but thats expensive even by 40k standards!
Look at this, sample army lists for standard games:
if it wasnt that you were wanting a Modern game, i would suggest Malifaux. i love this game. 35$~ for a Box set of Minis, you would need the book, and the fate deck. its a Skirmish style game much like Infinity. not alot of models are required to play. has a points system. And the background story for the game is really awesome. when me and my FLGS owner are burning on Warmachine we switch over to Malifaux xD
Infinity is a good choice for a skirmish level game. If your looking for something with larger forces like 40k, Id say keep an eye on ebay.
Also look for people selling AT-43 stuff. Its out of production now but can be had for a pretty good price, sometimes used, sometimes a store selling off stock.
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KOVAV wrote:4MA2: that pretty much blows AA out of the ball park for me. it must have a point system, and it must be a "game".
Boba: wow. that looks pretty awesome but....I looked at the warstore and the models cost like an average of 8$ a piece. they are truly beautiful looking. but thats expensive even by 40k standards!
Look at this, sample army lists for standard games:
Less than $100 to make a decent army.
Wow, seeing it broken down like that really gets one tempted to get into Infinity. Thats a very smart advert...there are some other companies that could learn from that.
Also Id imagine that is retail price...shopping around online will make it even cheaper. Hmmm....bonus check coming at the end of the month...
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Whats my game?
Warmachine (Cygnar)
10/15mm mecha
Song of Blades & Heroes
Blackwater Gulch
X wing
Open to other games too
Mad4Minis wrote:Wow, seeing it broken down like that really gets one tempted to get into Infinity. Thats a very smart advert...there are some other companies that could learn from that.
Also Id imagine that is retail price...shopping around online will make it even cheaper. Hmmm....bonus check coming at the end of the month...
Just checking the Yu jing products at Maelstrom Games, I see that the Yu Jing 300pts list can be purchased by $77. That is way below the $90 featuring in the official image.
Mad4Minis wrote:Wow, seeing it broken down like that really gets one tempted to get into Infinity. Thats a very smart advert...there are some other companies that could learn from that.
Also Id imagine that is retail price...shopping around online will make it even cheaper. Hmmm....bonus check coming at the end of the month...
Just checking the Yu jing products at Maelstrom Games, I see that the Yu Jing 300pts list can be purchased by $77. That is way below the $90 featuring in the official image.
Funny you should mention Yu Jing...Im considering them for me and Combined Army for my wife.
For customers in the USA the Yu Jing 300pt list from thewarstore.com would be $70.96 (76.91 shipped). Basically the same price as Maelstron but since its in the US shipping time should be less. The Combined Army 300pt list would be $68.96 ($74.91 shipped).
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Whats my game?
Warmachine (Cygnar)
10/15mm mecha
Song of Blades & Heroes
Blackwater Gulch
X wing
Open to other games too
Mad4Minis wrote:Wow, seeing it broken down like that really gets one tempted to get into Infinity. Thats a very smart advert...there are some other companies that could learn from that.
Also Id imagine that is retail price...shopping around online will make it even cheaper. Hmmm....bonus check coming at the end of the month...
Just checking the Yu jing products at Maelstrom Games, I see that the Yu Jing 300pts list can be purchased by $77. That is way below the $90 featuring in the official image.
Reeeeeeeeeaaaallllly?
Hm...
So that means the Ariadna army wouldn't be much more, eh?
Looks like I know what I'm going to get next. Good thing there's so many free paper terrain sights!
The current starter set comes with a good sized starter army for 2 factions so you and a friend can play, and it's $100 retail. The revised starter set will be out this fall I think and have less models but will cost $80. Both are a good deal but the current starter is a better deal. It's a really cool game with some great models
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Mad4Minis wrote:Wow, seeing it broken down like that really gets one tempted to get into Infinity. Thats a very smart advert...there are some other companies that could learn from that.
Also Id imagine that is retail price...shopping around online will make it even cheaper. Hmmm....bonus check coming at the end of the month...
Just checking the Yu jing products at Maelstrom Games, I see that the Yu Jing 300pts list can be purchased by $77. That is way below the $90 featuring in the official image.
Reeeeeeeeeaaaallllly?
Hm...
So that means the Ariadna army wouldn't be much more, eh?
Looks like I know what I'm going to get next. Good thing there's so many free paper terrain sights!
Since your in the USA check out www.Thewarstore.com They have top notch service and good prices.
I priced the Yu Jing list at $76.91 shipping included and the Combined Army list at $74.91 shipped. Id imagine the Ariadna force would come in with similar discounts from retail.
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Whats my game?
Warmachine (Cygnar)
10/15mm mecha
Song of Blades & Heroes
Blackwater Gulch
X wing
Open to other games too
It's one of the games I've had most fun with for years with a really good game system and the reactive parts of the game stop it from being "Okay, my turn is over now shoot the hell out of me since I can't do anything".
I've got a large ALEPH force but starting to move onto either Nomads or Haqqislam.
As said above, the rules are free and miniatures are cheap for a full army, most games max out at 300 points which is rarely above 10 models.
Good lord its hard to resist when you look at how pretty the presentation is! I've heard great things about Infinity and have d/led the rules to look through, not bad, just nobody plays around here. I'm trying to kick another game off the ground, but hey, in 6-9 months time i'll give Infinity a shot, even if it doesn't take i'm not hundreds of $$
Disclaimer: if this post sounds standoffish or mean, it's not.
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Wow! I've been playing Heroscape for forever as my "other" minis game, but I'm checking out Infinity, too. Thanx, all!
"Oomans is pink and soft, not tough and green like da Boyz. They'z all da same size too, so they'z always arguing about who's in charge, 'cos there's no way of tellin', 'cept fer badges an' ooniforms an' fings. When one of dem wants to lord it over da uvvers, 'e says "I'm very speshul so'z you gotta worship me", or "I know summink wot you lot don't know, so yer better lissen good". Da funny fing is, arf of 'em believe it and da uvver arf don't, so 'e 'as ta hit 'em all anyway or run fer it. Wot a lot of mukkin' about if yer asks me...
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KOVAV wrote:4MA2: that pretty much blows AA out of the ball park for me. it must have a point system, and it must be a "game".
Boba: wow. that looks pretty awesome but....I looked at the warstore and the models cost like an average of 8$ a piece. they are truly beautiful looking. but thats expensive even by 40k standards!
remember you dont need to spend ANYTHING on models.....find a picture you like , print it out , instant army....
If you're looking for a "modern" game for cheap with a points system, look at Combat Storm. http://www.combatstorm.com/
It uses normal army men, and whatever tanks you happen to have around. With a few minor tweaks to ranges and such, it's a great game. Get a full 100 model army for $10 from a local store, and typically you'll get a second set at the same time, giving 200 models for $10, and then the rulebook is $20 plus shipping.
Besides unbalance among the classes, and need for tanks to help balance the game, it's a good buy. Plus you don't have to paint your models. If you do, a simple spray paint will do should you choose to get a 3rd and 4th set of guys.
The game plays fast and has the all important points system. You can spend points to upgrade your guys, take as many of whatever guys you want, provided it stays within the points limit.
The game pits the US Army against the Middle Eastern Forces (the Middle East uniting, what!?). That's all the info you're given. Have fun with it!
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