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I've always known they were on the Republican side of things, but the history with Nixon I find facsinating.

Granted, I know TheYoungTurks are liberal, so obviously they will do their best to disgrace Fox when they can. But I don't take anything for granted on T.V. anymore; as far as I'm concerned, they're all crooks.

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Fox news = fail

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This is old news, in my opinion. It's been painfully obvious over the last couple years that Fox news has been a breeding ground for right-winged extremist behavior. It's hardly a 'news' channel. Then again, what exactly IS a news channel anymore?

Nixon wanted all kinds of crazy things. As much as we hate him now, there were a LOT of people who fanatically adored him. He didn't get reelected for nothing

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Asherian Command wrote:Fox news = fail


Or quite successful, depending on how you look at it. But I still hate them...

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I tend to agree with you Goddard, by and large it seems all media is "slanted" in either one political direction or the other.
Get's a bit frustrating having to wade through a sea of "agenda's" just to get to facts.


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Surprise! No, wait, we all already knew this, minus the Nixon stuff.

As for Nixon, I would have much preferred him to Bush or Obama.

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FITZZ wrote: I tend to agree with you Goddard, by and large it seems all media is "slanted" in either one political direction or the other.
Get's a bit frustrating having to wade through a sea of "agenda's" just to get to facts.


Indeed, it's exhausting. I rarely watch "news" anymore, but sometimes when my pa comes home from work, I'll eat dinner with him and watch. The PBS News Hour seems to me fairly balanced in respect to political slanting. Wouldn't want to lose any public support now would you : P

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Ugh, we just need to drop the Fox and MSNBC talking heads into an arena and let them get it over with. The winners eat the losers' hearts and gain their viewers.

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Funny thing is, I'm not sure Nixon would even be able to get the Republican presidential nomination these days. He wanted universal healthcare and accepted that Keynesian economics were a central pillar of the modern world, he'd be far too leftwing for the current GOP.

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CNN is totally in the liberal Bag, and yet they call themselves News.

Fox is totally in the Republican Bag, and yet they call themselves news.

Why does it seem like it's cool for CNN to be in Obama's sack of corn,

But Fox is the devil for being in a Republican corner.

Go soak it somewhere it matters.

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sebster wrote:Funny thing is, I'm not sure Nixon would even be able to get the Republican presidential nomination these days. He wanted universal healthcare and accepted that Keynesian economics were a central pillar of the modern world, he'd be far too leftwing for the current GOP.


Nixon ended Vietnam, created OSHA, created the EPA, signed the Clean Air Act, created the CPSC, and signed SSI. Nixon was far and away the most successful president in terms of advancing what would not be considered a liberal agenda. If it hasn't been for Watergate, I think he might have been the greatest American president in the last 50 years.

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The conservative doctrine is so radically different from what it was even thirty years ago. Notice how we've completely and utterly dropped the Communism/Socialism bit? That was a huge part of post-WWII political policy, and it isn't even mentioned anymore.


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bushido wrote:Ugh, we just need to drop the Fox and MSNBC talking heads into an arena and let them get it over with. The winners eat the losers' hearts and gain their viewers.

I am in favour of this idea...

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Ouze wrote:Nixon ended Vietnam, created OSHA, created the EPA, signed the Clean Air Act, created the CPSC, and signed SSI. Nixon was far and away the most successful president in terms of advancing what would not be considered a liberal agenda. If it hasn't been for Watergate, I think he might have been the greatest American president in the last 50 years.


Sort of. He didn't so much 'end Vietnam' as get sick of the meatgrinder and leave the South to be inevitably overrun by the North, 'declaring victory and getting the hell out' is something anyone can do. Before that eventual withdrawal he got up to all kinds of stupidity in Cambodia, and at the same time Nixon was ludicrously heavy handed against the anti-war movement, Kent State anyone?

But I agree that his domestic record was excellent, and remarkably progressive. Which goes to show history is never as simple as 'great president' or 'terrible president', they all seem to have their strengths and weaknesses.

Still, it is incredible that US politics have drifted so far to the right that Nixon, a guy once so hated by the left wing, would now be considered among them, while the GOP would never tolerate his kind.


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Samus_aran115 wrote:The conservative doctrine is so radically different from what it was even thirty years ago. Notice how we've completely and utterly dropped the Communism/Socialism bit? That was a huge part of post-WWII political policy, and it isn't even mentioned anymore.


There's still plenty of fuss and bother over Communism and Socialism. One of the weirdest bits about modern conservatism is how they continue to worry over communism, despite the the Evil Empire falling over two decades ago.

What's changed is that conservative values of gradual change and sustained growth have been replaced hyper-capitalist dreams of unregulated markets and easy money, all wrapped in this very vague and poorly thought ideal of 'freedom'. I miss what conservatism used to be.

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I'm no fan of Fox News or Republicans but the presentation of this is so unbelievably biased itself (to the opposite spectrum) that it's utterly unpalatable to someone used to British television

Partisan politics are just ugly to view anywhere, especially in mainstream media.

   
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Henners91 wrote:I'm no fan of Fox News or Republicans but the presentation of this is so unbelievably biased itself (to the opposite spectrum) that it's utterly unpalatable to someone used to British television

Partisan politics are just ugly to view anywhere, especially in mainstream media.

This is my view...

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Wow, MSNBC is engaging in conspiracy theories about Fox News now? More importantly, people think this is news?

MSNBC has always been a welcome home to the tinfoil-hat crowd, it's not surprising that they're advancing the idea that Nixon's evil hands are all over Fox.

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Henners91 wrote:I'm no fan of Fox News or Republicans but the presentation of this is so unbelievably biased itself (to the opposite spectrum) that it's utterly unpalatable to someone used to British television

Partisan politics are just ugly to view anywhere, especially in mainstream media.


The annoying thing is there is a real news story there, Ailes having the plan to build a GOP news network during his time in the Nixon administration, then actually doing it a couple of decades later. That's a story, and it's worth knowing. Especially when you consider Murdoch's attempts to reign Ailes in and pull the network back towards being generically conservative, rather than a GOP propaganda tool.

But that story only lasts about 30 seconds, the following five minutes are just partisan hackery of the crappiest sort, the worst thing to fight FOX news with. Especially when the guy's voice was so damn annoying.


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biccat wrote:MSNBC has always been a welcome home to the tinfoil-hat crowd, it's not surprising that they're advancing the idea that Nixon's evil hands are all over Fox.


Sigh... please just once maybe look something up? You just come out with this stuff that you assume must be right because it's what your ideology tells you, and all it does is make you look bad and annoy the rest of us.

For the record, MSNBC has been around about as long as FOX News. It was originally centred on straight reporting, with a much reduced level of punditry, and the punditry on te show was pretty balanced - Anne Coulter was the most famous pundit on there for a long time. The ratings sucked.

Come the early to mid 2000s, MSNBC decided to begin a new strategy focussing on political punditry, looking to get pundts from both sides to yell at each. The ratings still sucked.

Come 2008, the network began another change in direction, this time looking to mimic FOX News except from the right wing. They saw Olbermann's show was doing quite well (by MSNBC standards) and looked in general to cash in on the rising disatisfaction with the Bush admin. They gave Rachel Maddow a show of her own.

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Oh dear lord, I'm at the point I don't even watch any news networks, because they're just too aggravating. I mean, look at HLN, these last 3 weeks have been mainly focused on the casey anthony trial, how do I know this? Because every time I've surfed, or eat dinner with my beloved's family, or eat in mcdonalds, it's there on the tlevision.

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People can't always see both sides of a matter equally.

What I have a problem with is the degree that fox news takes this. Not only is it heavily slanted (one might say horizontal) but they lie, on purpose. Furthermore, they plan how to do so, and in some cases organize the whole station just to focus on belittling one person.

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Connor McKane wrote:CNN is totally in the liberal Bag, and yet they call themselves News.

Fox is totally in the Republican Bag, and yet they call themselves news.

Why does it seem like it's cool for CNN to be in Obama's sack of corn,

But Fox is the devil for being in a Republican corner.

Go soak it somewhere it matters.


I stated I don't really watch any news channel, except occasionally the news hour. They're all a bunch of bastards.


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Part of the reason I posted this was to show that pretty much every news corp is trying to 'one-up' the other. Some are more blatant, but others are more subtle. News channels bickering about the other news channels gets views, so they will continue to do so untill that generation moronic viewers dies. That being said, I hate the Fox show the most. Also Glen Beck.

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Connor McKane wrote:CNN is totally in the liberal Bag, and yet they call themselves News.

Fox is totally in the Republican Bag, and yet they call themselves news.

Why does it seem like it's cool for CNN to be in Obama's sack of corn,

But Fox is the devil for being in a Republican corner.

Go soak it somewhere it matters.


This. And don't forget all the other obviously biased media sources (mostly left leaning) that don't take any flak for it. I think what it boils down to is that Fox has no shame and doesn't even try to hide it.


Nixon ended Vietnam, created OSHA, created the EPA, signed the Clean Air Act, created the CPSC, and signed SSI. Nixon was far and away the most successful president in terms of advancing what would not be considered a liberal agenda. If it hasn't been for Watergate, I think he might have been the greatest American president in the last 50 years.


Lets think for a second. Was watergate really that bad? Or do we all just make a big deal out of it because the media did? Really, thats the kind of stuff that both parties engage in anyway, it just so happens that Nixon got caught because Forrest Gump happened to be staying at the hotel at the time.

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chaos0xomega wrote:Lets think for a second. Was watergate really that bad? Or do we all just make a big deal out of it because the media did? Really, thats the kind of stuff that both parties engage in anyway, it just so happens that Nixon got caught because Forrest Gump happened to be staying at the hotel at the time.


I'm going with "yeah, it was that bad".....

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admittedly' i dont know any of the details of watergate, just the basics of what occurred, I was always under the impression that Nixon wasn't involved with it himself, just that his campaign manager was or something to that effect, :shrug: not that important to me in any case.

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chaos0xomega wrote:Lets think for a second. Was watergate really that bad? Or do we all just make a big deal out of it because the media did?


chaos0xomega wrote:admittedly' i dont know any of the details of watergate



I'd like to have this discussion with you, but first, I must assign you some homework.

Watergate itself was not that bad, no - As always, it was the coverup, not the crime. The crux of it is that at one point in his defense, Nixon famously stated "When the President does it, that means that it is not illegal". At that point you had a president who clearly believed that the law did not apply to him. So yes, that's a big problem.

Anyway, on-topic to Fox News for a minute; I'm not clear why elements of the media believe you have to "balance" the news. Why not just tell the truth? If MSNBC reports it's raining, is Fox then obliged to report it isn't?

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Connor McKane wrote:CNN is totally in the liberal Bag, and yet they call themselves News.

Fox is totally in the Republican Bag, and yet they call themselves news.

Why does it seem like it's cool for CNN to be in Obama's sack of corn,

But Fox is the devil for being in a Republican corner.

Go soak it somewhere it matters.



Alot of truth to that, being libertarian fox tends to strike more of a chord with me, then again the only show they have with a potential libertarian bent is Red Eye, and its pretty much an immature daily show. That said I prefer Beck to Schulz, and before you go 'BECK IS THE DEVIL, WARDRAGOON NEEDS TO ROT IN HELL' please do some unbiased research, because much of what people say about him is either A:Taken out of context or B:Made up, but to be fair the same can be said for Schulz(MSNBCs equivelant ot Beck). Also I don't see what the hate was for the Restoring Honor Rally, to me it seemed like a massive Church Picnic, not my cup of tea, but it was harmless and very polite. I really wish we were awesome like GB and had some unbiased news........


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Wardragoon wrote:Alot of truth to that, being libertarian fox tends to strike more of a chord with me.


Are you one of those "libertarians" who has voted a straight republican ticket for the last 15 straight elections?

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