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As you can see from the picture, there is a lot of stuff happening at initiative 6!

First off, for some clarification, that is TWO squads of Genestealers. One squad has six Genestealers, two of which is attacking the Raider while the rest of the squad is attacking Wyches. There is a second squad of Genestealers that fully assaulted the Raider. There is also a squad of Tyranid Warriors mixed in there with the Wyches. My questions:

1) We decided to let him resolve his Genestealers first. We both realize that all of the Wyches and the Genestealers attack at the same time. He uses 4 of his Genestealers to attack the Wyches. There is one unsaved wound and I pull a model off (which is the black primed model sitting right next to the Raider). The other two Genestealers attack the Raider and whiff. The squad of 6 Genestealers attack the Raider and cause an explosion. The explosions is 3". The question is this: That one model I pulled off... does she count as getting hit by the explosion? We had some discussion with some other people at the shop and it was sort of split on if it counts or not. We ultimately decided that it DID count as getting hit as the ENTIRE initiative count is resolved AT THE SAME TIME. So, does that one Wyche get hit or not?

2) Do the wounds caused by the explosion count towards combat resolution?

3) There is a Haemonculus inside the Raider that suffered a wound from the explosion. Does that count toward combat resolution?

4) After the fight, can *ANY* Genestealers "pile-in" into the Haemonculus that had to bail out of the Raider and suffered a wound?

5) After the fight, can the squad of eight Genestealers that assaulted the Raider "pile-in" into the Wyches?

Thanks for your answers! It was a little complex and I think we played it out right (or close enough).

Kurce wrote:1) We decided to let him resolve his Genestealers first. We both realize that all of the Wyches and the Genestealers attack at the same time. He uses 4 of his Genestealers to attack the Wyches. There is one unsaved wound and I pull a model off (which is the black primed model sitting right next to the Raider). The other two Genestealers attack the Raider and whiff. The squad of 6 Genestealers attack the Raider and cause an explosion. The explosions is 3". The question is this: That one model I pulled off... does she count as getting hit by the explosion? We had some discussion with some other people at the shop and it was sort of split on if it counts or not. We ultimately decided that it DID count as getting hit as the ENTIRE initiative count is resolved AT THE SAME TIME. So, does that one Wyche get hit or not?

As you say, it's all happening at once, so yes, that model would be hit.

2) Do the wounds caused by the explosion count towards combat resolution?

No. Those wounds are caused by the explosion, not by close combat.

3) There is a Haemonculus inside the Raider that suffered a wound from the explosion. Does that count toward combat resolution?

No. Same reason.

4) After the fight, can *ANY* Genestealers "pile-in" into the Haemonculus that had to bail out of the Raider and suffered a wound?

He wasn't engaged in the combat, and you can't engage units that weren't involved in the combat. So no.

5) After the fight, can the squad of eight Genestealers that assaulted the Raider "pile-in" into the Wyches?

Yes. It's all one big multiple combat, so they are required to do so.

Oh, well, in that case, we played it pretty bad, then. I thought explosions counted towards combat resolution since it was caused as a result of close combat. Oh well, now we know.

They do count towards resolution, BRB FAQ:

Q: In a multiple combat involving opposing vehicles and
non-vehicle units are wounds caused by the Destroyed –
Explodes! result on the Vehicle Damage table counted
towards the combat total? (p63)
A: Yes all wounds caused in this way will count. Unsaved
wounds caused to enemy models will count to your
combat total and unsaved wounds caused to friendly
models will count to your opponents combat total.

insaniak wrote:

Kurce wrote:1) We decided to let him resolve his Genestealers first. We both realize that all of the Wyches and the Genestealers attack at the same time. He uses 4 of his Genestealers to attack the Wyches. There is one unsaved wound and I pull a model off (which is the black primed model sitting right next to the Raider). The other two Genestealers attack the Raider and whiff. The squad of 6 Genestealers attack the Raider and cause an explosion. The explosions is 3". The question is this: That one model I pulled off... does she count as getting hit by the explosion? We had some discussion with some other people at the shop and it was sort of split on if it counts or not. We ultimately decided that it DID count as getting hit as the ENTIRE initiative count is resolved AT THE SAME TIME. So, does that one Wyche get hit or not?

As you say, it's all happening at once, so yes, that model would be hit.

2) Do the wounds caused by the explosion count towards combat resolution?

No. Those wounds are caused by the explosion, not by close combat.

3) There is a Haemonculus inside the Raider that suffered a wound from the explosion. Does that count toward combat resolution?

No. Same reason.

4) After the fight, can *ANY* Genestealers "pile-in" into the Haemonculus that had to bail out of the Raider and suffered a wound?

He wasn't engaged in the combat, and you can't engage units that weren't involved in the combat. So no.

5) After the fight, can the squad of eight Genestealers that assaulted the Raider "pile-in" into the Wyches?

Yes. It's all one big multiple combat, so they are required to do so.

The explosion does count as mention above, the squad of 8 DO NOT pile in to the wyches after combat, as they charged the raider and didn't have a model in B2B with any wyches, they don't even get to consolidate as it's a vehicle.
Some people would say that since they're within 2' they count as in CC but they didn't charge the wyches, if it wasn't a multi charger why would they pile into the wyches? If you could do this you could argueably charge into your own squad in CC and still be in combat as your within 2', which is just odd.

The Wyches were in the same combat as the 8 genestealers (because of the 2 from the unit of 6 that also charged the raider) and so the 8 genestealers must try and pile into the wyches. It's not two seperate combats, it's 1 complex combat and whether the 8 charged the wyches or not is irrelevant as long as they were both in the same combat.

Check the bottom of pg. 41 for confirmation. All units involved in a Multiple Combat must pile into an enemy involved in that combat. So because the unit of 6 multicharged the unit of 8 and the wyches are in the same combat and so must pile into each other if possible.

MikZor - as stated above, the squad of 8 was involved in ONE multiple combat, meaning they must pile in towards the wytches.

MasterSlowPoke wrote:They do count towards resolution, BRB FAQ:

Q: In a multiple combat involving opposing vehicles and
non-vehicle units are wounds caused by the Destroyed –
Explodes! result on the Vehicle Damage table counted
towards the combat total? (p63)
A: Yes all wounds caused in this way will count. Unsaved
wounds caused to enemy models will count to your
combat total and unsaved wounds caused to friendly
models will count to your opponents combat total.

Well, look at that. Must have blanked that one out...

Chrysis wrote:The Wyches were in the same combat as the 8 genestealers (because of the 2 from the unit of 6 that also charged the raider) and so the 8 genestealers must try and pile into the wyches. It's not two seperate combats, it's 1 complex combat and whether the 8 charged the wyches or not is irrelevant as long as they were both in the same combat.

Check the bottom of pg. 41 for confirmation. All units involved in a Multiple Combat must pile into an enemy involved in that combat. So because the unit of 6 multicharged the unit of 8 and the wyches are in the same combat and so must pile into each other if possible.

Can't argue with that. I can kinda see the logic in this, just seems fishy.
Thanks for the clarity

related question.

an explosion from an assault wounded nearby models that were NOT part of ANY assault, do those wounds count towards resolution ?

No.

Seems we played it right, Kurce. I did not pile into the Haemonculus because he was not in combat, but they do need to pile into the Wyches because the 6man Genestealer squad was in assault to the Raider and the 8man Genestealer was assaulting the Raider so is therefore in the same combat. And the explosion counts towards combat resolution for both causing the Raider to explode and the insuing wound to the Maemonculus.

Oh, and FYI, he wins the combat because of Dodge/FnP and always Dodging all my Rending wounds. Hate how Tyranids are so bad, especially against DE.

at least you didn't get into an Argument about weather the Wytches get their Dodge save against the explosion.

that could have gotten ugly.

Grey Templar wrote:at least you didn't get into an Argument about weather the Wytches get their Dodge save against the explosion.

that could have gotten ugly.

Ya, that was pretty easy to determine because explosions are allocated as shooting attacks and as such, can not dodge them (yes, they are in combat but thats not how we saw it).

MasterSlowPoke wrote:

Disarray wrote:related question.

an explosion from an assault wounded nearby models that were NOT part of ANY assault, do those wounds count towards resolution ?

No.

No, However if the explosion causes 25% of the models as casualties in the unit "that were NOT part of ANY assault" then the unit that was not part of any assault would have to check morale at the end of the assault phase.

It is rare that 25% casualties cause a morale check in the assault phase, but this is one of those situations.

My only problem is that the Answer here kind of says otherwise

Q: In a multiple combat involving opposing vehicles and
non-vehicle units are wounds caused by the Destroyed –
Explodes! result on the Vehicle Damage table counted
towards the combat total? (p63)
A: Yes all wounds caused in this way will count. Unsaved
wounds caused to enemy models will count to your
combat total and unsaved wounds caused to friendly
models will count to your opponents combat total.

Granted the question only asks about units in the assault, and maybe I'm nitpicking but the Answer does say ALL WOUNDS caused this way will count...