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I was digging around my old files and I found this -

THE EMPEROR (pre – heresy) 750pts

The Emperor may be used in Apocalypse alongside Space Marines or Imperial Guard. He is treated as a normal HQ from the Space Marine Codex / Imperial Guard Codex (depending on which army you are using him with.)

Ws Bs S T W I A Ld Sv
8 10 5 5 5 8 5 10 2+

Unit Type: Infantry
Unit Composition: 1 (Unique)

Wargear:
Artificer Armour
Glaive of the Imperium:
Power Weapon, Rending, Against Vehicles and Monstrous Creatures, The Emperor counts as S10.
Man's Last Hope:
2+ Invulnerable Save
Honoured Boltgun:
R S AP Type
30” 7 4 Assault 4, Rending, Pinning



Special Rules:

Imperial Tactics:
If the Emperor is included in your army, every non – vehicle unit gains the Relentless, Preferred Enemy and Move Through Cover special rules.

He is our Lord:
Should the Emperor be killed, all non - vehicle units in the army automatically gain the Rage, Counter Attack and Furious Charge special rules.

Inspiring Leader:
All units in an army that includes the Emperor are Fearless. This Rule may not be used if The Emperor is being used as a HQ for an Imperial Guard army.

Psyker:
The Emperor knows all psychic powers from the Librarian psychic power list detailed in the Space Marine Codex – he may use 3 a turn. In addition, he only needs to take one psychic test a turn.

We shall not feel pain:
All non – vehicle units in an army that includes the Emperor gain the Feel No Pain special rule. If the unit already has the Feel No Pain special rule, then it is on a 3+. Including the Emperor. This Rule may not be used if The Emperor is being used as a HQ for an Imperial Guard army.

Living God:
All non – vehicle enemy units within 24” of the Emperor at the Beginning of their turn must take a morale test or fall back. The Fearless special rule does NOT prevent you from taking this test.

Master Combatant:
Any rolls of a 1 when taking saves (Invulnerable, Armour and Cover) from the Emperor’s attacks (ranged and combat) cause instant death to the model taking the save. If the Emperor inflicts a Rending wound, then the enemy counts as rolling a 1 for his/ her save.

Eternal Warrior
Fearless
Independent Character
Preferred Enemy
Furious Charge

Some of the rules could do with better names
I also need to playtest the guy
If you've got any questions about the rules, please post






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I would really appreciate some feedback please...

Well, he certainly seem quite powerful, which is to be expected with the Big E. I agree, some play testing would be in order, since this could easily become over-powered; with 5 wounds and a 2+/2+, he would be a beast to kill! On the other hand, units like the storm lord or LR Punisher might have a shot by virtue of forcing a ton of saves...

I would raise the price, simply because all those buffs he gives the armies will really make a huge impact on the game. Other than that, looks pretty good.

-cgmckenzie

no matter what coolyo says, i like these threads, and yes, this is the coolest emperor starts i have seen

I'd say he needs to cost even more points, purely because of the number of buffs he gives to his army (he gives every Space Marine unit in your force Relentless, Feel No Pain, Move Through Cover, Fearless and Preferred Enemy! That's a hell of a lot of stuff!). He's already as powerful as most of the big gribbly daemons in Apoc, but he's much smaller, and therefore harder to shoot at, plus all his awesome army-boosting powers- if that doesn't merit a 1250 point price tab, I'm not sure what should.

Agreed, he should cost a LOT more points or make all the squads in your army cost more to represent all the buffs. I'm not even sure the buffs make sense to be honest.

Definately needs to be more expensive. 750 points would be a bargain just for what he does by himself. Add in all the army wide buffs and he is very undercosted. For 750 points you could get 3 landraiders and he is far more powerful than them. He is so good he can take out any kind of unit. While it may be fluffy 40k is a very over the top setting and so playing units as they are seen in the fluff just isn't that fun.

The major problem with the Emperor's profile is that he influences his army too much. 40k characters are often overpowered by themselves but this is ofset by the fact they can only be in one place so multiple cheaper units may have more uses. By giving so many army wide special rules you have removed this problem. Having some armywide buffs is ok (it's something GW seem to be moving towards) but keep them limited- If the emperor dies the army has almost every USR in the book. Try keeping it to around 3 and make sure them make sense fluffwise. I'm not quite sure how the emperor's presence makes people have move through cover and prefered enemy.

I would also suggest removing the rule about the army recieving rules for the emperor's death. If anything the army should get worse, anything capable of beating the emperor is going to scare even the bravest Space marines. I would replace it with all models in LoS taking LD tests of flleeing. Any that remain should abandon their fighting and try and help him.

Hmm this looks rather good I say, I can agree to him needign a massive point cost, but damn. It would be awesom fielding him thou

Vladsimpaler wrote:

i dont understand all of these pictures with these lines. Guess what? if you are sick of these threads...dont read them.

I'd say make a negative rule for if he dies, such as the army losing all buffs provided by him, and any units within los having to move towards him should he die to represent the space marines trying to protect/reclaim his body. I'd also increase his strength, toughness and points cost to represent the fact he fought a daemonically empowered primarch and sorta lived. I can understand why you'd give some positive rules upon his death but I think they should be space marine only, with separate rules for IG to represent the differing levels of valour

Thanks for all the feedback
Here's the new stats -

Points - 1250

WS 8
BS 10
S 6 (7?)
T 6 (7?)
W 5
I 8
A 5
Ld 10

Wargear stays the same

Special Rules

Cleanse the Filth - Gives every non - vehicle unit in your army Preferred Enemy & Furious charge. (Represents units in the army working harder in the face of the Emperor)

He has Fallen - Every non - vehicle unit in the army must immediately pass a leadership test with a modifier of -3 or fall back - any units that fail will only rally on a double 1. If they fail, Space Marine Units lose the 'And they shall know no fear.' If a unit with a Commissar (of either rank) fails this test, any units with a commissar (of either rank) are immediately removed (regardless of remaining wounds) as they are overwhelmed with terrified guardsmen - their authority no longer has any effect.

Inspiring Leader - all non-vehicle units in the Army become Stubborn. Units within 24'' and LoS to the Emperor become Fearless.

The rest of the Rules stay the same any over powered?

The new stats look better than lower stats and hundreds of speical rules. I personally think the BS is too high. Primarch should be WS + BS 7 and the emperor should have 8. Strength and Toughness 7 seems right now that some SM special characters have started getting up to T6. Initiative seems a bit high. DE have amazing reactions and they have I6. I would give the emperor I 7. These stats easily compensate for the lose of master combatant and the USRs

If you use the new stats and special rules (plus EW and Pysker) and original weapons it looks good. It's much more user friendly with improved stats and without the need to constantly check what USR he has. You may need to play test to work out a more accurate points cost but it doesn't look too bad.

If you intend to to keep the orignial special rules then I would still say it's overpowered. Having such a high potential for damage combined with being almost impossible to kill should raise the cost a lot. Individually they are good but not unbeatable but together they become so much worse. With all those buffs and Living god (this power is really overpowered) it's going to be very hard to beat an army with containing the emperor. The problem is that with all those special rules he can easily neutralise more than his points.

The Emprah shouldn't have a flat cost; his bonuses apply to each individual model in the army. Maybe 600 points, +5 For each non-vehicle model in the army.

So stats -
WS 8
BS 8
S 7
T 7
W 5
I 7
A 5
Ld 10

Keeps the original wargear

Special Rules

Cleanse the Filth - Gives every non - vehicle unit in your army Preferred Enemy & Furious charge. (Represents units in the army working harder in the face of the Emperor)

He has Fallen - Every non - vehicle unit in the army must immediately pass a leadership test with a modifier of -3 or fall back - any units that fail will only rally on a double 1. If they fail, Space Marine Units lose the 'And they shall know no fear.' If a unit with a Commissar (of either rank) fails this test, any units with a commissar (of either rank) are immediately removed (regardless of remaining wounds) as they are overwhelmed with terrified guardsmen - their authority no longer has any effect.

Inspiring Leader - all non-vehicle units in the Army become Stubborn. Units within 24'' and LoS to the Emperor become Fearless.

Psyker - The Emperor knows all psychic powers from the Librarian psychic power list detailed in the Space Marine Codex – he may use 3 a turn. In addition, he only needs to take one psychic test a turn.

Living God (REMOVED)

Master Combatant (OP?) - Any rolls of a 1 when taking saves (Invulnerable, Armour and Cover) from the Emperor’s attacks (ranged and combat) cause instant death to the model taking the save. If the Emperor inflicts a Rending wound, then the enemy counts as rolling a 1 for his/ her save.

Eternal Warrior
Fearless
Independent Character
Preferred Enemy
Furious Charge

I'll try and define the points in some play testing

Also does anyone have any ideas for a model? (sorry if i should strictly be putting this in another forum)

Maybe something like the sanguinor but bigger

i was thinking about incorporating the Emperor's Champion (Black Templars) into it as well - the sword is AWSOME!

Mega Awesome!

suicidal space marine wrote:Maybe something like the sanguinor but bigger

But the emperor is smaller than a regular space marine. IIRC it's been mentioned that while everyone looked up at him, the SM's were technicially looking down/straight ahead as they were kneeling.

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Really where did you hear that from

Colonel Dakura wrote:He has Fallen - Every non - vehicle unit in the army must immediately pass a leadership test with a modifier of -3 or fall back - any units that fail will only rally on a double 1. If they fail, Space Marine Units lose the 'And they shall know no fear.' If a unit with a Commissar (of either rank) fails this test, any units with a commissar (of either rank) are immediately removed (regardless of remaining wounds) as they are overwhelmed with terrified guardsmen - their authority no longer has any effect.

I understand having negatives for the emperor dying but I cant see SM's running away because the emperor is slain. I could see IG doing it but definitely not SM's. I would say that if he is slain SM units lose ATSKNF and gain fearless as they try to rush to save/recover the body. When the emperor is removed as a casualty leave the model where he is. The body becomes an additional objective. Have the rule very similar/ if not the same to Bjorn's the price of failure where if the you do not have a unit claiming his body (within 3") then the enemy gets d3 objectives. If you do have a unit claiming then you do not get any objectives but neither does the opposing force.

They wouldn't run by I would expect them to get his body and then retreat as soon as possible. Protecting the emperor is more important than one battle.

pdawg517 wrote:

Colonel Dakura wrote:He has Fallen - Every non - vehicle unit in the army must immediately pass a leadership test with a modifier of -3 or fall back - any units that fail will only rally on a double 1. If they fail, Space Marine Units lose the 'And they shall know no fear.' If a unit with a Commissar (of either rank) fails this test, any units with a commissar (of either rank) are immediately removed (regardless of remaining wounds) as they are overwhelmed with terrified guardsmen - their authority no longer has any effect.

I understand having negatives for the emperor dying but I cant see SM's running away because the emperor is slain. I could see IG doing it but definitely not SM's. I would say that if he is slain SM units lose ATSKNF and gain fearless as they try to rush to save/recover the body. When the emperor is removed as a casualty leave the model where he is. The body becomes an additional objective. Have the rule very similar/ if not the same to Bjorn's the price of failure where if the you do not have a unit claiming his body (within 3") then the enemy gets d3 objectives. If you do have a unit claiming then you do not get any objectives but neither does the opposing force.

See i have to disagree to a point. where i do agree guardsmen would run away and the emperors body would certainly be considered an additional objective, but i do believe the Emperors death would have an effect on Space marines (spiritual liege, daddy figure and overall indestructable mofo getting killed would mean something)
i don't think they should lose atsknf, but maybe gain the rage rule as they set aside tactics to recover the emperors body

for the record this emperor is pretty neat; i was about ready to say "this again?", but its a better than the usual one...

yeah, like if its a huge objectives battle, no objectives can be held until his body is recovered because all the marines would be in a fury to recover it

He has Fallen: Every non - vehicle unit in an Imperial Guard army must immediately pass a leadership test with a modifier of -3 or fall back - any units that fail will only rally on a double 1. If a unit with a Commissar (of either rank) fails this test, any units with a commissar (of either rank) are immediately removed (regardless of remaining wounds) as they are overwhelmed with terrified guardsmen - their authority no longer has any effect.

Space marine units must also take the same test, but with these results; If they fail, Space Marine Units will not fall back but will instead lose the 'And they shall know no fear' special rule. In addition, all non-vehicle space marine units (regardless of whether they failed the test or not) now treat the emporer's body as an objective - place a siutable marker to represent this. Note that any non-vehicle unit may claim the Emporer's body as an objective, not just scoring ones. No other objectives may be claimed until the Emporer's body is claimed.

@ Joetaco - thank you for your last comment

ws 10
bs 10
s 6
t 8
i 10
a 5
ld 10
sv 2+
Spesh rules:
Chaos Fury, When the emperor fights against chaos space marines all gain preffered enemy and rage.



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superior mind, no enemy psykers can use a psychic power and every turn they get hit by a s8 no saves taken

he should be 1500.pts

Looks nice, alittle OP though

I agree that's it's slightly OP sorry to interuptt the thread but it's my 100th post on dakka dakka yayaaay