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Here is my list for next saturday's tournament what do you guys think?


HQ
Daemon Prince – Wings, MoN, Warptime.

Elite
3x Termies – 2 Combi-meltas, 1 RA, 1 PF

Troops
10x CSM – Champ w/PF, IoCG, 2x flamers, rhino w/combi-melta
8x Plague Marines – Champ w/PF, combi-melta & personal icon, 2x plasmagun, rhino w/combi-melta
8x Zerks – Champ w/PW, meltabombs & personal icon

Heavy
3x Oblies
Land Raider

The zerks will be on the LR so that they can assault asap.

I'm a little worried on not having a PF on my zerks to deal with any walkers i might find. The lack of real templates is also something i'm doubting, was thinking on making some changes and fitting in a defiler, however i think it might get blown to smithereens on the 1st turn.

raider needs a least extra armour, you will curse when they shake it,

list should go to this:

DP, wings, MON, WT

3 Termies, combimelta*2, reaper

7 plagues, 2 melta, champ, fist,
Rhino
7 plagues, 2 melta, champ, fist,
Rhino
8 Zerkers, champ, fist

3 Oblits
Raider, DP

That sounds good, sadly i dont have 14 plague marines :(. Used to play night lords on 3rd so i only have 1 squad of plague and 1 of zerks hehe. And i can't proxy anything on the tournament :/, i was thinking on using a 2nd DP instead of those 7 plague, that would leave me with only 2 troops thou, so i was thinking in leaving the LR out and get me some lesser daemons, since I also only have 2 rhinos.

I would try and fit 2x2 Obliterators rather than a squad of 3. Gives you extra options.

You could drop the RA for some extra points aswell, as they tend to be a bit over priced. I would just buy another combi melta and what ever upgrades you want on the PMs or Zerkers, with the points saved from dropping the RA.

Like Valek has said, definetly get DP on your LR. Helps a ton for getting your guys into assualt range.

I prefer Rhinos to LRs. You have to wait an extra turn to assault, but at least you're not spending 250 points on a Transport. A single LR too, which makes it even worse because it's survivability at 1500+ points isn't good (every list can handle a single LR). Your DP faces a similar problem... it will attract a lot of fire early and often, and then it'll be gone. I'd drop the LR for a Rhino and add in a 2nd Prince, and solve 2 huge problems with one change. If you insist on using the LR, Possess it, so you can always move and always shoot.

wtwlf123 wrote:I prefer Rhinos to LRs. You have to wait an extra turn to assault, but at least you're not spending 250 points on a Transport. A single LR too, which makes it even worse because it's survivability at 1500+ points isn't good (every list can handle a single LR). Your DP faces a similar problem... it will attract a lot of fire early and often, and then it'll be gone. I'd drop the LR for a Rhino and add in a 2nd Prince, and solve 2 huge problems with one change. If you insist on using the LR, Possess it, so you can always move and always shoot.

Agree 100% about the target saturation. Most lists I use I dont even feild my LR because I know its just a point sink; more Rhinos is always better. And its always best to do 2 DPs, sure we have good characters for HQs, but none are as good as a DP overall.

True, i might drop the LR after all, i'm used to it because thats the only way to move abaddon around with 8 zerks on 1850+ games, but at 1500 w DPs sound a lot better.

Here is another thing regarding the DPs, I usually go with MoN, WT wings, lately i've tried duoing it with a LoS one, but every single time my opponent troops are either on a vehicle or he has some nullify thingie so i don't see the slaanesh one so useful was going to field 2 nurgle ones when i though... i'll play around with a tzeentch one, took wings, MoT, WT and WoC, it started eating whole tact squads with the rerolls... so... do you guys think if worth it to pay those extra points to have a killing machine flamer flying around?, it'll definetly help vs MCs and thunderwolf cavalry

If you drop the LR, you can get about 3 more Oblits. I'm not saying you should, but just to put it in perspective. In 1500, a single DP will die very soon if its not supported correctly. Taking two increases their survial rate a lot. And with the target saturating of multipl Rhinos you make your opponent have to think more, which increses their chance of screwing up. The Lash prince is good, but he/she/it needs the support of long range anti tank weapons. They're no good if everything is in transports, which nowadays is everything. So you need to open them up. I run one Lash and one MoN WT prince. One to rush, and one to tease.

I'd drop both the LR and the Termies, just because its better (I feel) to have everything start out on the board right away. Once you shave off those points feel free to add another DP and/or more HS. One of CSM biggest strengths is our solid HS choices. Besides that, one thing you for sure need is 3 troop choices. Zerkers are good, but can be fragile, and usually shouldn't hold any objectives. Since you have a unit of them, you need another one to fill its role of objective grabbing. Thats where the CSM and PM come in. Anyways, GL hope some of this helped/made any sort of sense.

Well so i now stand between 2 list considering what models i own and the feedback, ive got these 2 options, the first one lacks troops as mentioned above but will have enough target for my enemy to spend his rounds.

HQ

DP, wings, MoN, WT
DP, Winga, MoT, WT, WoC

Troops

7xPM - Champ w/ PF combi-melta personal icon, 2x plasmas, rhino w/combimelta

8x zerks Champ w/PF and icon, rhino w/ combimelta

5x lesser daemons

HS

3 oblies (sadly only have 3 :( )
2x Defilers

Total 1499 pts

My other option is a more troop oriented

HQ

2x DP, MoN, wings, wt

Troops

10x CSM champ/ Power fist, IoCG, 2x flamers
9x zerks ( same as above)
10x PM ( same as above)

HS

2x oblies
7x havocs IoCG, 2x ML, 2x HB

Lord Yayula wrote:Well so i now stand between 2 list considering what models i own and the feedback, ive got these 2 options, the first one lacks troops as mentioned above but will have enough target for my enemy to spend his rounds.

HQ

DP, wings, MoN, WT
DP, Winga, MoT, WT, WoC

Troops

7xPM - Champ w/ PF combi-melta personal icon, 2x plasmas, rhino w/combimelta

8x zerks Champ w/PF and icon, rhino w/ combimelta

5x lesser daemons

HS

3 oblies (sadly only have 3 :( )
2x Defilers

Total 1499 pts

My other option is a more troop oriented

HQ

2x DP, MoN, wings, wt

Troops

10x CSM champ/ Power fist, IoCG, 2x flamers
9x zerks ( same as above)
10x PM ( same as above)

HS

2x oblies
7x havocs IoCG, 2x ML, 2x HB

IMO list 2 seems abit more competitve. On the first list feilding 5 leseer deamons is just asking for them to die lol. and 2 defilers seems like a bit much.

On list 2 I would make all the havocs have MLs. 4 MLs will tear just about anything apart. Having 2 different weapons for a squad is something in most cases you should avoid. It really breaks up the synergy, and instead of being excellent at one thing you just end up being decent at 2. And missles can also be anti infantry. Missles are very versitile and a great weapon, just look at long fang missle spam.....soooo OP, lol.