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So the new WHFB Expansion: Storm of Magic brings a huge variety of new monsters into the game. All are, all things considered, a force to be reckoned with, but to unlock their full potential of damage/tactical-advantage each must be used differently. They offer many advantages in terms of Arcane Fulcrums; able to snatch a wizard off the top or help scare off those who are attacking your own. Finally, as all mosters can be taken by any army, we see things we have never seen before: any army can now take a great eagle, a dragon or a hydra.

So, which monsters are the best overall? Which are best for fulfilling a certain role? And which monsters complement which armies the best?

Discuss.

I've been seeing a lot of Chimeras around...

And I also hope some of the smaller mosters get some attention too. Like the sabretusks which seem very useful to me.

Bone grinder giant seems to be with high toughness and lots of wounds + lots of different types of attack means with my proof rolling means he beats more or less and new monster, except the exalted deamons.

I really hope the sabre tusk models get released in a pack. I need them for my Night El- I mean... Wood Elf army.
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I think the Manticore can't be overlooked. I haven't managed to get one to successfully charge a fulcrum (they're scared of him for some reason), but they have a good statline (except ld) and have killing blow. So give them Frenzy/Hatred and have at them!

Also, the lowly Giant is ridiculous against wizards in a fulcrum. Of the possible attacks:
Yell and Bawl knocks wizard off the fulcrum
Jump Up and Down does a lot of high strength hits, which usually means dead wizard (hello toughness three)
Pick Up and...well...almost every single one results in a casualty, which means no ward save, and it doesn't matter how many wounds he has.
Thump with Club...again, a lot of high str hits.

Take Giants people. Just not against me.

Yeah, the Giants are good at knocking off wizards. And the bonegrinder giant is extreemely poweful too. That thing can take on dragons, and it's only half the points of some!

Mmm, but in my first game of storm of magic i proxyed it and i got sicked all over by a unit of trolls and throgg. Then, did nothing thanks to regen, and died the next combat, i wasnt happy.

EagleArk wrote:Mmm, but in my first game of storm of magic i proxyed it and i got sicked all over by a unit of trolls and throgg. Then, did nothing thanks to regen, and died the next combat, i wasnt happy.

Unlucky. I've never used one, but it seems very good on paper.

Eldar Own wrote:

EagleArk wrote:Mmm, but in my first game of storm of magic i proxyed it and i got sicked all over by a unit of trolls and throgg. Then, did nothing thanks to regen, and died the next combat, i wasnt happy.

Unlucky. I've never used one, but it seems very good on paper.

Mmm, it does, i still going to get one because M10 means T2 charges on fulcrums, and if not killing them stopping them somewhat.

i feilded a great fire dragon in my 3k SoM game yesterday....it held up an entire flank of about 5 -8 hundred points ish worth of models and when they finaly got it down to its last wound i healed it back to full.... T7 W7 S7 9 leadership terror causing with 6 attacks and a thunderstomp is reliable in my opinon lol


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not to mention it turn one charged firebreathed and tore in a half a treeman ancient lol

Unicorns, stags and the other like.. 2 monsters with ward/regen saves!

EagleArk wrote:

Eldar Own wrote:

EagleArk wrote:Mmm, but in my first game of storm of magic i proxyed it and i got sicked all over by a unit of trolls and throgg. Then, did nothing thanks to regen, and died the next combat, i wasnt happy.

Unlucky. I've never used one, but it seems very good on paper.

Mmm, it does, i still going to get one because M10 means T2 charges on fulcrums, and if not killing them stopping them somewhat.

Yeah, that's a good point. Movement values are often overshadowed by stregnth, wounds and whatnot, but movement can be just as deadly...

But most of the big scary monsters (manticore, chimera etc) have fly so movement doesn't matter for them and also being able to fly makes them a very big threat from turn 1

I plan on fielding:The candy mountain brigade! (aka 20 unicorns)

Regen is of course good. Trolls and the hydra.

I also think cheap impact hits look good. Like the stag or the wooly ogre pack "rhino".

haloreach4ever wrote:I plan on fielding:The candy mountain brigade! (aka 20 unicorns)

All named Charlie?

Well duh!

CHARLIE NNNOOO CHARLIE CANDY MAUNTAIN CHARLIEEEEE!


Lamassu... this thing is pure nasty, its fast enough to zip around and Zapp stuff, it has a decent stat line (not a combat monster) so can kill a pesky wizzard (Cookie for reference) whats not to like

Lamassu... this thing is pure nasty, its fast enough to zip around and Zapp stuff, it has a decent stat line (not a combat monster) so can kill a pesky wizzard (Cookie for reference) whats not to like

The model!

Kirasu wrote:

Lamassu... this thing is pure nasty, its fast enough to zip around and Zapp stuff, it has a decent stat line (not a combat monster) so can kill a pesky wizzard (Cookie for reference) whats not to like

The model!

....Is simply ghastly.

Yeah it is awful.

It's counterpart thegreat taurus is good though. Both model and game wise.

the Lamassu looks cool lol

looks aside, its a damn good choice

All IMHO:

Giants are where it's at.

Yell and Bawl is actually a dud since the wizard will be stubborn.
Jump up and down inflicts a lot of hits.
Pick up and...... GET OFF THAT FULCRUM!
Swing with Club is not that great, but you can get the odd wound in.

Giants are also really good at taking out other monsters, especially if they are low initiative(quite a few of the SoM monsters).

Cockatrice is good since it has alot of attacks, a HKB sniper shot, and comes base with an armor save(something quite a few SoM monsters lack!).

Great Taurus looks pretty good since flaming attacks re-roll to wound.

Lammasu is a bit of a mixed bag since it is a wizard and has cool abilities, but not really enough attacks to knock a wizard off a fulcrum.

Chimera is decent since it comes with lots of S6 attacks base.

Yhettes are great for a fast moving shock attack unit.

Harpies are all kinds of sick when you can give them 1pt killing blow(remember, they have 2 attacks at I5!).

Sabertusks are really awesome for their points.

Tzeentchling9 wrote:Harpies are all kinds of sick when you can give them 1pt killing blow(remember, they have 2 attacks at I5!).

Yeah. Harpies have nw moves from 'Core' to 'Monsters and Magic' in my DE SoM list now, for that particluar reason

And all you other points are perfectly valid too

I played a game of SoM with my O&G esterday and I used a young dragon, they're surprisingly effective for a relatively cheap points cost.

How about Great Eagles with Blood of the fire rock? S5 Flyers? I also thought about Fimir Balefiend in combo with spidershrine arachnaroch spider.. ( he gets 3 dice on averege just for him.)

MrTau wrote:How about Great Eagles with Blood of the fire rock? S5 Flyers?

I still think the iron feathers thing is move valuable upgrade. Protection before power in these cases imo

Druchii wrote:

MrTau wrote:How about Great Eagles with Blood of the fire rock? S5 Flyers?

I still think the iron feathers thing is move valuable upgrade. Protection before power in these cases imo

I agree. Great eagles should be used for march blocking/taking out war machines. It has enough power to take out war machines as it is, especially if there are more than one, the main problem is getting there without being shot to a plume of feathers.

I got a game in a couple weeks back and ran a large amount of "huge" monsters only because it was finally a chance to put my FW stuff on the table.

I ended up using an Emperor Chaos Dragon, two Chaos Mammoths, a Giant Spined Chaos Beast, and a Giant Spawn.

The spawns did great, but the other monsters... Well theres a big problem. It is impossible to miss the Emperor Dragon and Mammoths with cannons unless they misfire. Their bases are so large and they would hit me every single time. On the contrary, they were such large fire magnets that I was able to get nearly every unit into combat unharmed, and since I was playing WoC, it lead to me utterly crushing stuff.

The one Mammoth that did get into combat had only 5 wounds left and was stuck in combat with a Yelling and bawling giant for 6 rounds of combat...

Its great and all to use the big models, but the fact that they are so easy to kill (I was playing a Nuln Empire player I suppose) that its almost not worth it for the sake of killing, but they do suck up a ton of fire so its worth it in that regards.

Buttlerthepug wrote:The one Mammoth that did get into combat had only 5 wounds left and was stuck in combat with a Yelling and bawling giant for 6 rounds of combat...

The mental image of that is utterly hilarious.

-Loki- wrote:

Buttlerthepug wrote:The one Mammoth that did get into combat had only 5 wounds left and was stuck in combat with a Yelling and bawling giant for 6 rounds of combat...

The mental image of that is utterly hilarious.

I agree

Anyway, I can imagine it'd be pretty fun fielding all that stuff. The Mammoth sure does look deadly but I think that (this goes for the chaos dragon too) we won't be seeing that much of it due to it's high points cost.